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123. You don't know even that much, and to say otherwise is to lie

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 01:02 AM

Mar 2012

You don't know that the rings are silver. You know only that the word "silver" may have been used to describe them in a Miami-Dade Schools Police report. In fact, you don't even know that, since you haven't seen the police report. To say otherwise is a lie. You're not going to lie, are you?

You don't know that the earrings are diamond. You know only that the word "diamond" may have been used to describe them in a Miami-Dade Schools Police. In fact, you don't even know that much, since you haven't seen the police report. To say otherwise is a lie. You're not going to lie, are you?

You've consistently made the claim that it is a fact that there were silver and diamonds in the bag. You don't know that for a fact and you should stop lying about it.

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Trayvon Martin was also suspended for graffiti, previously found with 12 pieces of women's jewlery [View all] Kurska Mar 2012 OP

they're just now saying this? Skittles Mar 2012 #1

And remember, it's all a distraction. Unless it involves the events of that night nothing else matte FarLeftFist Mar 2012 #23

oh I hear you Skittles Mar 2012 #30

And thanks to the complete bungling of the investigation we will never know if....... yourout Mar 2012 #2

They weren't found where he was shot. Kurska Mar 2012 #5

Oops....my bad. yourout Mar 2012 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Mar 2012 #101

He* my bad typo. Kurska Mar 2012 #102

Deleted post you were responding to. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #111

As would I never do the same to you. Kurska Mar 2012 #116

Tomorrow they'll have him bombing Pearl Harbor and taking the Lindbergh baby. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #3

It is your position that this is fake? n/t Kurska Mar 2012 #12

Sure, why not. EFerrari Mar 2012 #15

Even if it isn't...it's irrelevant Ken Burch Mar 2012 #54

It might be relevant to a defense attorney trying to paint Trayvon in a negative light. Kurska Mar 2012 #90

You're forgetting the fact that Zimmerman wouldn't have know of this Ken Burch Mar 2012 #94

Not what the defense lawyer would imply. Kurska Mar 2012 #100

That assumes though, that Trayvon would be reckless enough Ken Burch Mar 2012 #104

I'd say the likelihood Trayvon acted like a paranoid criminal is increased if he is a criminal. Kurska Mar 2012 #118

But he had no record of theft whatsoever while EFerrari Mar 2012 #117

Check your pm's n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #119

Zimmerman's assault charge was dropped I believe? Kurska Mar 2012 #121

Wrong. Zimmerman was charged with assault and on more than one occasion. EFerrari Mar 2012 #136

None Of It was Identified As Stolen, Ma'am, and The Officer Who Took It seems Still to Have It.... The Magistrate Mar 2012 #14

I don't know, your Honor. A black kid with a screwdriver? EFerrari Mar 2012 #20

And Yet You Can Buy Them Over The Counter At Any Hardware Store, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2012 #28

Sorry about the spray paint. EFerrari Mar 2012 #36

I Can Buy It Anywhere, Ma'am, I Am An Old Man The Magistrate Mar 2012 #39

Yes, they locked it up in a lot of places when Nick turned 15. EFerrari Mar 2012 #62

"They'll pry my screwdriver out of my cold, dead hands".... Ken Burch Mar 2012 #88

They couldn't prove it was stolen. I don't know if it was stolen. Kurska Mar 2012 #21

Straight Out Of The Article, Sir: Nothing Traced As Stolen The Magistrate Mar 2012 #26

Who do they return it to? Trayvon claimed he got it from a friend he refused to name. Kurska Mar 2012 #31

They Take It from You, Sir, They Give It Back To You The Magistrate Mar 2012 #37

As far as I know, the police can't return an item to someone who does not claim ownership of it. Kurska Mar 2012 #41

It was In His Possession, Sir, And They Have No Reason To Say It Was Unlawfully So The Magistrate Mar 2012 #47

Regardless of possession, it is my understanding he did not claim ownership of said item. Kurska Mar 2012 #48

This Is Not a Car, Sir, With Title And Blue Book Value The Magistrate Mar 2012 #68

Not trinkets, jewelry apparently containing diamonds and silver. Kurska Mar 2012 #74

Trinkets, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #80

Actually if you're a cop you return it to the person who owns it. Kurska Mar 2012 #83

Since Trayvon didn't CLAIM ownership, it means nothing that the jewels weren't returned to him Ken Burch Mar 2012 #99

I believe I explained my reasoning up thread why this is important. Kurska Mar 2012 #106

I have a feeling we are going to find out the origin of those objects. dkf Mar 2012 #95

I hope so. Kurska Mar 2012 #122

Yes. It will all come out especially after all this scrutiny. dkf Mar 2012 #126

If the police didn't charge Trayvon, that makes a pretty strong case Ken Burch Mar 2012 #60

I don't think anyone is claiming they were returned. Kurska Mar 2012 #71

I realize I misread that part. Will delete that portion of the post. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #86

When I was 9 or 10 years old, I bought a lady's wedding ring at a flea market Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #40

Did they have diamonds in them? Were they silver wedding bands? Kurska Mar 2012 #49

'Silver Wedding Bands' Is Pretty Silly, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #56

You seem to be assuming things outside of the our possible knowledge. Kurska Mar 2012 #75

It was My Trade For a Number Of Years, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #79

The article doesn't claim the stones were set in silver. Kurska Mar 2012 #87

Again. it's irrelevant Ken Burch Mar 2012 #97

And In English, Sir, That Means All Items Were Silver The Magistrate Mar 2012 #105

I responded to this down thread, please look at it. Kurska Mar 2012 #130

Assuming there were any real stones involved. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #64

It was a 10K gold wedding band Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #69

The Cited Article Says 'Silver Wedding Bands', Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #73

I sold the ring for the gold content Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #92

Understood, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #110

I understand Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #124

In any case, it doesn't matter. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #57

I think this poor kid was being profiled long before he crossed paths with Zimmerman. The Backlash Cometh Mar 2012 #33

Of course he was. He was a black teenager. EFerrari Mar 2012 #45

Trayvon was the second gunman on the grassy knoll! Incitatus Mar 2012 #19

So I guess Clinton is off the hook for those offenses. murielm99 Mar 2012 #42

And he'll be the second shooter on the Grassy Knoll. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #53

And don't forget about Albus Dumbledore and Jon Benet Ramsay n/t eridani Mar 2012 #109

AND he and Billie Jo were throwing something off the Talahatchie Bridge... Ken Burch Mar 2012 #112

"Well, this should be interesting. Nothing he previously had done would justify being shot" marmar Mar 2012 #4

Woah, I messed up that phrasing badly let me fix it. Kurska Mar 2012 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author marmar Mar 2012 #9

Again, why are you dwelling on a completely irrelevant detail? Ken Burch Mar 2012 #70

They are going to have a field day with his twitter account krawhitham Mar 2012 #7

Yeah, and he posted a shirtless pic with a beanie and making a gang gesture. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #10

Or...rather, somebody posted a picture of somebody else doing that... Ken Burch Mar 2012 #91

How many times are you going to post this "scoop"? Ecumenist Mar 2012 #11

I posted it once in latest breaking news. Kurska Mar 2012 #17

there WAS a murder Skittles Mar 2012 #128

irrelevant. spanone Mar 2012 #13

So it implies that if you get followed, you have to put up with it no matter if applegrove Mar 2012 #16

I guess the PR offensive is now well underway to ghettoize Martin bluestateguy Mar 2012 #18

+1000 That's exactly why they are delaying an arrest. EmeraldCityGrl Mar 2012 #34

None of that is relevant slackmaster Mar 2012 #22

According of course, to unamed pd sources nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #24

I bet you Junkdrawer is right EFerrari Mar 2012 #29

Your headline is misleading... TeeYiYi Mar 2012 #25

Not my intent, edited the title of the thread. Is that better? n/t Kurska Mar 2012 #27

Still unclear... TeeYiYi Mar 2012 #35

What facts are in dispute here? Kurska Mar 2012 #44

No worries. Thanks for trying. TeeYiYi Mar 2012 #59

Tomorrow? They had a field day with it today. Lilyeye Mar 2012 #32

The article says: eustus Mar 2012 #38

Are diamonds typically used in costume jewelry? Kurska Mar 2012 #46

Fake diamonds. Fake silver. eustus Mar 2012 #50

This is obvious to anyone who isn't intent on seeing Mr. Martin as a criminal alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #52

I'm sure information about this will come out. Kurska Mar 2012 #55

Mmmm hmmm alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #58

Hey if I could magically appraise jewelry from 400 miles away. Kurska Mar 2012 #61

Oh, what you're magically trying to do is fairly clear alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #63

Maybe it is a little hazy to me, what am I trying to do? Kurska Mar 2012 #66

I'll make a $100 donation to DU in your name alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #51

Even Taken At Face Value, Sir, The Stuff Has Zilch Monetary Value The Magistrate Mar 2012 #76

Wait, what have they described beyond diamonds and silver? Kurska Mar 2012 #81

It Was My Trade For A Number Of Years as a Younger Man, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #82

And if you had the items in front of you, I'd defer to your expertise. Kurska Mar 2012 #85

We certainly DON'T know that alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #96

I didn't claim to know anything more than the rings are silver and earrings diamond. Kurska Mar 2012 #115

You don't know even that much, and to say otherwise is to lie alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #123

I'm clearly basing that claim off the police report, if it is wrong then I am wrong. Kurska Mar 2012 #129

Oh, my, look who suddenly turned faithful... alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #132

Never have I experienced so much gnashing of teeth over directly quoting an article. Kurska Mar 2012 #137

Oh please alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #138

I directly quoted the newspaper. Other people challenged the paper and the paper's source. Kurska Mar 2012 #140

I find you alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #142

The newspaper included the report, saying something about their belief in the validity of it. Kurska Mar 2012 #143

The newspaper rightly attributed the claim alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #144

Alright let me explain, newspapers will generally only print sources they find trustworthy. Kurska Mar 2012 #146

Attributing a claim of fact to a source alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #147

The report claims what it is saying is fact. Kurska Mar 2012 #148

Nonsense alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #149

Not Necessary, Sir: Mention Of Silver And Diamond In Conjunction Is Sufficient The Magistrate Mar 2012 #98

I found your post interesting. But there seems to have been a misunderstanding Kurska Mar 2012 #108

In Plain English, Sir 'Silver Wedding Rings And Earrings...' Applies 'Silver' To Both The Magistrate Mar 2012 #120

The exact phrase was "Silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds" Kurska Mar 2012 #125

You don't know that they're even silver alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #127

Alright, something was found somewhere by someone Kurska Mar 2012 #131

That is, indeed, all you know alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #133

I deeply apologize for any deception, be it accidentally malicious or maliciously accidental. Kurska Mar 2012 #134

Whatever alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #135

Silver and gold of low purity grades. JVS Mar 2012 #78

Yes; diamond chips are often used in plate ware and in silver of low value. REP Mar 2012 #107

This article gives me the same feeling I arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #43

I really can't take this smearing of the murder victim anymore Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #65

+1000 Starry Messenger Mar 2012 #67

You are not alone, I feel the same way! arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #72

+1000 nt ecstatic Mar 2012 #77

I feel exactly the same way Marrah_G Mar 2012 #93

+10,000 uponit7771 Mar 2012 #103

It's absolutely disgusting alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #113

This may be the first time we ever agreed on ANYTHING. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #141

I'm not at all surprised JonLP24 Mar 2012 #162

"I'm not at all surprised by that longtime DUer recommending this". Neither was I. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #163

Third world rag Mosaic Mar 2012 #84

You're kind of insulting the Third World there, bro. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #114

I can make up shit too! And so what if he did? Should we all just be shot for bad deeds we have lonestarnot Mar 2012 #89

I wouldn't trust the cops to not plant 'evidence' like that Matariki Mar 2012 #139

So are you claiming... sarisataka Mar 2012 #150

Or that they planted evidence just to bust a black teenager. backscatter712 Mar 2012 #152

It happens... sarisataka Mar 2012 #154

Where do you get that I'm "claiming" anything in my post? Matariki Mar 2012 #158

I took your statement... sarisataka Mar 2012 #159

This is like attempting to smear a rape victim by saying she was sexually promiscuous. 6000eliot Mar 2012 #145

Perfect analogy. That's exactly what it's like. nt. Mariana Mar 2012 #156

Yet another analogy might be the Duke Lacrosse team... Zax2me Mar 2012 #160

No, it's not. Mariana Mar 2012 #161

irrelevant to the shooting.... Evasporque Mar 2012 #151

Completely fucking irrelevant. No judge would let defense bring this in. morningfog Mar 2012 #153

Who cares? Aerows Mar 2012 #155

It doesn't matter Catherine Vincent Mar 2012 #157