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alcibiades_mystery

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149. Nonsense

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 03:00 AM

Mar 2012

The school investigator's report "describes it" as silver rings and diamond earrings. I have no reason to believe that the investigator could make those judgments with any level of accuracy, nor do I have any reason to believe that the report is anything other than the investigator's on the scene eyeball reading of the jewelry. You're not claiming the investigator had these items tested, are you? Or was the investigator an expert? Were they stamped "silver," and "diamond?" Did the investigator pull out the jewelry magnifier he keeps in his high school file cabinet next to a bottle of Elijah Craig 12 Year and check the diamond's clarity? Is that what happened? So, even the investigator's capacity to correctly identify these items is doubtful, which is, again, why the journalist was correct to merely say that the report describe them that way, and why you were incorrect at best, and openly deceptive at worst, to claim that you knew what was in that bag for a fact.

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Trayvon Martin was also suspended for graffiti, previously found with 12 pieces of women's jewlery [View all] Kurska Mar 2012 OP

they're just now saying this? Skittles Mar 2012 #1

And remember, it's all a distraction. Unless it involves the events of that night nothing else matte FarLeftFist Mar 2012 #23

oh I hear you Skittles Mar 2012 #30

And thanks to the complete bungling of the investigation we will never know if....... yourout Mar 2012 #2

They weren't found where he was shot. Kurska Mar 2012 #5

Oops....my bad. yourout Mar 2012 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Mar 2012 #101

He* my bad typo. Kurska Mar 2012 #102

Deleted post you were responding to. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #111

As would I never do the same to you. Kurska Mar 2012 #116

Tomorrow they'll have him bombing Pearl Harbor and taking the Lindbergh baby. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #3

It is your position that this is fake? n/t Kurska Mar 2012 #12

Sure, why not. EFerrari Mar 2012 #15

Even if it isn't...it's irrelevant Ken Burch Mar 2012 #54

It might be relevant to a defense attorney trying to paint Trayvon in a negative light. Kurska Mar 2012 #90

You're forgetting the fact that Zimmerman wouldn't have know of this Ken Burch Mar 2012 #94

Not what the defense lawyer would imply. Kurska Mar 2012 #100

That assumes though, that Trayvon would be reckless enough Ken Burch Mar 2012 #104

I'd say the likelihood Trayvon acted like a paranoid criminal is increased if he is a criminal. Kurska Mar 2012 #118

But he had no record of theft whatsoever while EFerrari Mar 2012 #117

Check your pm's n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #119

Zimmerman's assault charge was dropped I believe? Kurska Mar 2012 #121

Wrong. Zimmerman was charged with assault and on more than one occasion. EFerrari Mar 2012 #136

None Of It was Identified As Stolen, Ma'am, and The Officer Who Took It seems Still to Have It.... The Magistrate Mar 2012 #14

I don't know, your Honor. A black kid with a screwdriver? EFerrari Mar 2012 #20

And Yet You Can Buy Them Over The Counter At Any Hardware Store, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2012 #28

Sorry about the spray paint. EFerrari Mar 2012 #36

I Can Buy It Anywhere, Ma'am, I Am An Old Man The Magistrate Mar 2012 #39

Yes, they locked it up in a lot of places when Nick turned 15. EFerrari Mar 2012 #62

"They'll pry my screwdriver out of my cold, dead hands".... Ken Burch Mar 2012 #88

They couldn't prove it was stolen. I don't know if it was stolen. Kurska Mar 2012 #21

Straight Out Of The Article, Sir: Nothing Traced As Stolen The Magistrate Mar 2012 #26

Who do they return it to? Trayvon claimed he got it from a friend he refused to name. Kurska Mar 2012 #31

They Take It from You, Sir, They Give It Back To You The Magistrate Mar 2012 #37

As far as I know, the police can't return an item to someone who does not claim ownership of it. Kurska Mar 2012 #41

It was In His Possession, Sir, And They Have No Reason To Say It Was Unlawfully So The Magistrate Mar 2012 #47

Regardless of possession, it is my understanding he did not claim ownership of said item. Kurska Mar 2012 #48

This Is Not a Car, Sir, With Title And Blue Book Value The Magistrate Mar 2012 #68

Not trinkets, jewelry apparently containing diamonds and silver. Kurska Mar 2012 #74

Trinkets, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #80

Actually if you're a cop you return it to the person who owns it. Kurska Mar 2012 #83

Since Trayvon didn't CLAIM ownership, it means nothing that the jewels weren't returned to him Ken Burch Mar 2012 #99

I believe I explained my reasoning up thread why this is important. Kurska Mar 2012 #106

I have a feeling we are going to find out the origin of those objects. dkf Mar 2012 #95

I hope so. Kurska Mar 2012 #122

Yes. It will all come out especially after all this scrutiny. dkf Mar 2012 #126

If the police didn't charge Trayvon, that makes a pretty strong case Ken Burch Mar 2012 #60

I don't think anyone is claiming they were returned. Kurska Mar 2012 #71

I realize I misread that part. Will delete that portion of the post. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #86

When I was 9 or 10 years old, I bought a lady's wedding ring at a flea market Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #40

Did they have diamonds in them? Were they silver wedding bands? Kurska Mar 2012 #49

'Silver Wedding Bands' Is Pretty Silly, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #56

You seem to be assuming things outside of the our possible knowledge. Kurska Mar 2012 #75

It was My Trade For a Number Of Years, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #79

The article doesn't claim the stones were set in silver. Kurska Mar 2012 #87

Again. it's irrelevant Ken Burch Mar 2012 #97

And In English, Sir, That Means All Items Were Silver The Magistrate Mar 2012 #105

I responded to this down thread, please look at it. Kurska Mar 2012 #130

Assuming there were any real stones involved. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #64

It was a 10K gold wedding band Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #69

The Cited Article Says 'Silver Wedding Bands', Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #73

I sold the ring for the gold content Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #92

Understood, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #110

I understand Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #124

In any case, it doesn't matter. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #57

I think this poor kid was being profiled long before he crossed paths with Zimmerman. The Backlash Cometh Mar 2012 #33

Of course he was. He was a black teenager. EFerrari Mar 2012 #45

Trayvon was the second gunman on the grassy knoll! Incitatus Mar 2012 #19

So I guess Clinton is off the hook for those offenses. murielm99 Mar 2012 #42

And he'll be the second shooter on the Grassy Knoll. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #53

And don't forget about Albus Dumbledore and Jon Benet Ramsay n/t eridani Mar 2012 #109

AND he and Billie Jo were throwing something off the Talahatchie Bridge... Ken Burch Mar 2012 #112

"Well, this should be interesting. Nothing he previously had done would justify being shot" marmar Mar 2012 #4

Woah, I messed up that phrasing badly let me fix it. Kurska Mar 2012 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author marmar Mar 2012 #9

Again, why are you dwelling on a completely irrelevant detail? Ken Burch Mar 2012 #70

They are going to have a field day with his twitter account krawhitham Mar 2012 #7

Yeah, and he posted a shirtless pic with a beanie and making a gang gesture. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #10

Or...rather, somebody posted a picture of somebody else doing that... Ken Burch Mar 2012 #91

How many times are you going to post this "scoop"? Ecumenist Mar 2012 #11

I posted it once in latest breaking news. Kurska Mar 2012 #17

there WAS a murder Skittles Mar 2012 #128

irrelevant. spanone Mar 2012 #13

So it implies that if you get followed, you have to put up with it no matter if applegrove Mar 2012 #16

I guess the PR offensive is now well underway to ghettoize Martin bluestateguy Mar 2012 #18

+1000 That's exactly why they are delaying an arrest. EmeraldCityGrl Mar 2012 #34

None of that is relevant slackmaster Mar 2012 #22

According of course, to unamed pd sources nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #24

I bet you Junkdrawer is right EFerrari Mar 2012 #29

Your headline is misleading... TeeYiYi Mar 2012 #25

Not my intent, edited the title of the thread. Is that better? n/t Kurska Mar 2012 #27

Still unclear... TeeYiYi Mar 2012 #35

What facts are in dispute here? Kurska Mar 2012 #44

No worries. Thanks for trying. TeeYiYi Mar 2012 #59

Tomorrow? They had a field day with it today. Lilyeye Mar 2012 #32

The article says: eustus Mar 2012 #38

Are diamonds typically used in costume jewelry? Kurska Mar 2012 #46

Fake diamonds. Fake silver. eustus Mar 2012 #50

This is obvious to anyone who isn't intent on seeing Mr. Martin as a criminal alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #52

I'm sure information about this will come out. Kurska Mar 2012 #55

Mmmm hmmm alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #58

Hey if I could magically appraise jewelry from 400 miles away. Kurska Mar 2012 #61

Oh, what you're magically trying to do is fairly clear alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #63

Maybe it is a little hazy to me, what am I trying to do? Kurska Mar 2012 #66

I'll make a $100 donation to DU in your name alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #51

Even Taken At Face Value, Sir, The Stuff Has Zilch Monetary Value The Magistrate Mar 2012 #76

Wait, what have they described beyond diamonds and silver? Kurska Mar 2012 #81

It Was My Trade For A Number Of Years as a Younger Man, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #82

And if you had the items in front of you, I'd defer to your expertise. Kurska Mar 2012 #85

We certainly DON'T know that alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #96

I didn't claim to know anything more than the rings are silver and earrings diamond. Kurska Mar 2012 #115

You don't know even that much, and to say otherwise is to lie alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #123

I'm clearly basing that claim off the police report, if it is wrong then I am wrong. Kurska Mar 2012 #129

Oh, my, look who suddenly turned faithful... alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #132

Never have I experienced so much gnashing of teeth over directly quoting an article. Kurska Mar 2012 #137

Oh please alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #138

I directly quoted the newspaper. Other people challenged the paper and the paper's source. Kurska Mar 2012 #140

I find you alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #142

The newspaper included the report, saying something about their belief in the validity of it. Kurska Mar 2012 #143

The newspaper rightly attributed the claim alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #144

Alright let me explain, newspapers will generally only print sources they find trustworthy. Kurska Mar 2012 #146

Attributing a claim of fact to a source alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #147

The report claims what it is saying is fact. Kurska Mar 2012 #148

Nonsense alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #149

Not Necessary, Sir: Mention Of Silver And Diamond In Conjunction Is Sufficient The Magistrate Mar 2012 #98

I found your post interesting. But there seems to have been a misunderstanding Kurska Mar 2012 #108

In Plain English, Sir 'Silver Wedding Rings And Earrings...' Applies 'Silver' To Both The Magistrate Mar 2012 #120

The exact phrase was "Silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds" Kurska Mar 2012 #125

You don't know that they're even silver alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #127

Alright, something was found somewhere by someone Kurska Mar 2012 #131

That is, indeed, all you know alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #133

I deeply apologize for any deception, be it accidentally malicious or maliciously accidental. Kurska Mar 2012 #134

Whatever alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #135

Silver and gold of low purity grades. JVS Mar 2012 #78

Yes; diamond chips are often used in plate ware and in silver of low value. REP Mar 2012 #107

This article gives me the same feeling I arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #43

I really can't take this smearing of the murder victim anymore Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #65

+1000 Starry Messenger Mar 2012 #67

You are not alone, I feel the same way! arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #72

+1000 nt ecstatic Mar 2012 #77

I feel exactly the same way Marrah_G Mar 2012 #93

+10,000 uponit7771 Mar 2012 #103

It's absolutely disgusting alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #113

This may be the first time we ever agreed on ANYTHING. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #141

I'm not at all surprised JonLP24 Mar 2012 #162

"I'm not at all surprised by that longtime DUer recommending this". Neither was I. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #163

Third world rag Mosaic Mar 2012 #84

You're kind of insulting the Third World there, bro. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #114

I can make up shit too! And so what if he did? Should we all just be shot for bad deeds we have lonestarnot Mar 2012 #89

I wouldn't trust the cops to not plant 'evidence' like that Matariki Mar 2012 #139

So are you claiming... sarisataka Mar 2012 #150

Or that they planted evidence just to bust a black teenager. backscatter712 Mar 2012 #152

It happens... sarisataka Mar 2012 #154

Where do you get that I'm "claiming" anything in my post? Matariki Mar 2012 #158

I took your statement... sarisataka Mar 2012 #159

This is like attempting to smear a rape victim by saying she was sexually promiscuous. 6000eliot Mar 2012 #145

Perfect analogy. That's exactly what it's like. nt. Mariana Mar 2012 #156

Yet another analogy might be the Duke Lacrosse team... Zax2me Mar 2012 #160

No, it's not. Mariana Mar 2012 #161

irrelevant to the shooting.... Evasporque Mar 2012 #151

Completely fucking irrelevant. No judge would let defense bring this in. morningfog Mar 2012 #153

Who cares? Aerows Mar 2012 #155

It doesn't matter Catherine Vincent Mar 2012 #157