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DanTex

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79. Some things are getting worse, others better.

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 06:12 PM

Apr 2014

For example, the healthcare system in the US just got a lot better. But I share your frustrations with economic inequality.

Here's the thing. Right now, while you and I are arguing here on the internet, President Obama is going around advocating for an increase in the minimum wage. By executive action, he has already raised the minimum wage for federal workers and contractors. But he can't raise the legal minimum wage for everyone without a congressional vote.

So my question for you is: if Obama is really some corporate apologist president for the 1%, why on earth is he going around advocating for an increase in the minimum wage? Does he not understand that this will increase labor costs and cut into profits and potentially reduce CEO bonuses while directing more money to workers?

And if he somehow manages, against all odds, to get the minimum wage increase through congress, will that count as something getting better? And if he fails, will you lay the blame with the GOP congress who blocked it, or is it somehow both parties' fault even though one of them is for it and the other against it?

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So let's see here. A 5-4 SCOTUS decision split exactly on party lines. [View all] DanTex Apr 2014 OP

My primary conclusion is that misery loves misery BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #1

I'm sorry Manny didn't respond to you in his thread Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #2

Manny self-deleted his thread. MineralMan Apr 2014 #22

I'm sorry he didn't respond to you eaither Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #25

Yah, but Manny never really responds to MineralMan Apr 2014 #26

Maybe he has you on ignore Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #27

No, he doesn't have me on ignore. MineralMan Apr 2014 #28

That one was particularly OTT. MADem Apr 2014 #33

I thought so, too. Apparently Manny, or whatever his name is, MineralMan Apr 2014 #38

You do get that it's a Nineteen Eighty-Four reference, right? Electric Monk Apr 2014 #40

Yes, of course. Hasn't everyone read that? MineralMan Apr 2014 #41

"Maybe some people do know. I don't care." Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #61

I'm not putting up with it anymore. MADem Apr 2014 #42

Good for you, and you have my thanks! MineralMan Apr 2014 #43

Go get 'em, sport. nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #57

You need to go someplace else. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #78

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #94

Like I care. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #99

I'm with you 100% but don't let this one be the reason you get a post hidden. Number23 Apr 2014 #107

There are a LOT of good people here. MADem Apr 2014 #111

Careful Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #125

... Number23 Apr 2014 #128

Shaking my head. Jury results. pintobean Apr 2014 #129

Shame Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #130

*gasp* pintobean Apr 2014 #131

Lol. Fair use pintobean Apr 2014 #133

Feel better now? Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #135

Better? No Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #136

Rephrase Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #138

No Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #139

Unbelievable Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #134

Certainly not DU's finest hour. MADem Apr 2014 #143

Flying monkeys have feelings, too pintobean Apr 2014 #144

I am not normally a fan of dog clothing, but those are flat-out hilarious! nt MADem Apr 2014 #145

Same here. pintobean Apr 2014 #146

A relative with a pug wants to do that "for real!" MADem Apr 2014 #147

Already have. nt MADem Apr 2014 #96

MADem, that one is the master, the Emperor of the "who me?" guise Number23 Apr 2014 #93

Google the title. joshcryer Apr 2014 #95

Yup... SidDithers Apr 2014 #122

Not that bad. joshcryer Apr 2014 #124

I tried to comment on a recent one of his...and then my mobile wouldn't send. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #52

Time we did a little "get up, stand up" and just not put up with it anymore. MADem Apr 2014 #97

I agree, but how... BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #120

Sexism is NEVER OK. MADem Apr 2014 #140

It's the Dead Enders on Endless Parade. It's a damn good thing anyone Cha Apr 2014 #102

What will the next gripe be? MADem Apr 2014 #105

Manny got disgusted by Manny's defeatism MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #55

Have you lost your precious? DCBob Apr 2014 #63

Jump-the-Shark-Manny? joshcryer Apr 2014 #98

Do not ask for whom the shark jumps MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #104

Whatever you say, Manny... MineralMan Apr 2014 #116

Third Person Manny? Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #142

Nobody that I know gives a fuck. Cha Apr 2014 #101

You're tough Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #108

Yeah, the facts are tough. Cha Apr 2014 #117

Nobody you know gives a fuck about facts Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #118

Deal with it. Cha Apr 2014 #119

We all are Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #121

Democrats had a win yesterday. Expect increased demonization from the usuals. They have an..... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #3

Damn, that's right on point! Perfectly illustrated! Well done, you! Wish I could rec your post! nt MADem Apr 2014 #4

I wish it weren't, but there's no other explanation. nt Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #31

And that has to start with the local level. On Ed last night he was talking about how and why the jwirr Apr 2014 #5

"All politics are local". I forget who said it, but it's never been more true than today. The.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #10

Tip O'Neil said that Dyedinthewoolliberal Apr 2014 #20

I should've known. He was a helluva legislator, and apparently a soothsayer as well. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #29

Mah man Tip! Friend to all, including a geezer or two in my family! MADem Apr 2014 #36

One good way to spot 'em is they rarely, if ever, participate in threads that aren't about Obama. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #45

Yer darn tootin! I've had enough, though--and I think a lot of us have! MADem Apr 2014 #48

Right there with you...I am SICK up to here with the Negativism! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #80

+1 Jamaal510 Apr 2014 #51

!!! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #64

Yes. I'd hope those complaining about not getting single-payer in 2009-10 would spend more time Chathamization Apr 2014 #74

DING! DING! DING! You have characterized them perfectly. We can't move forward with these.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #75

Exactly....we have to get the mushy middle off the couches to vote in the midterms! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #81

My father (rest his soul) was one of those. He thought his vote was too important to use it in.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #84

Yep....you have to appear POWERFUL to appeal to those....you have to make them understand VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #87

Exactly. But I'm under no illusion that we're actually dealing with "Democrats". It's the internet. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #90

Yep...I tend to agree with that sentiment... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #91

Tarheel, now that is an excellent STRATEGIC post. Thanks for that. Number23 Apr 2014 #100

It's time to move beyond them. Let them do their 3rd party thing, and leave Dems the hell alone. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #106

Good grief. I could not agree with you more. Number23 Apr 2014 #109

That should include their own site. How does Third Party Underground grab you? I'd donate just.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #113

They could take Jon Huntsman voters with them Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #115

As long as they take the Putinistas/Assangeanistas/Naderites & Greenwaldians too. nt Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #141

I believe that's how the repubs started it. pangaia Apr 2014 #83

They have both the money Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #127

Nader wouldn't have been the image I would have chosen myself BainsBane Apr 2014 #137

And how many Democrats in the Senate voted to confirm those five. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #6

What year was that? JoePhilly Apr 2014 #7

Nader had no more to do with than you did. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #9

Did voting for Nader help prevent Bush from getting to select the nominees? JoePhilly Apr 2014 #11

Just keep telling yourself that. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #12

Certainly did not help stop him from getting to do so. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #13

And TWO of the justices that gave the election to Shrub had those lopsided votes 30 years ago. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #15

So clearly, we should blame the current Democrats. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #17

I knew that was coming. What I call Standard Answer 35B. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #18

Good. I never miss either ... and I take others with me. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #23

I have to disagree. Laelth Apr 2014 #76

Ohhhh kay....so stuff that happened in the past ONLY counts when YOU say so!! MADem Apr 2014 #44

Besides Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #19

Yup, this one is on Nader and his supporters too. We all warned Naderites about the SCOTUS stevenleser Apr 2014 #60

Bingo Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2014 #123

Of course, almost all analyses show that Nader wasn't responsible for Gore "losing" nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #126

Shh. We're not supposed to talk about that leftstreet Apr 2014 #8

The reality, is the president basically gets the SCOTUS nominees he wants. DanTex Apr 2014 #14

Evidently NONE of them voted their conscience. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #16

Your point being? DanTex Apr 2014 #21

Robert Bork would disagree furiously! (Of course, that's what he ALWAYS did...!) MADem Apr 2014 #46

Why are you trying to make sense of nonsense? Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #24

If we lose the Senate - then maybe progressives should leave the Democratic Party en masse Anansi1171 Apr 2014 #30

It's hard to imagine that as Obama's legacy leftstreet Apr 2014 #32

LOL Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #34

Thx for drawing attn to my post leftstreet Apr 2014 #35

That political capital met very real resistance by TPTB! Anansi1171 Apr 2014 #37

No it's not leftynyc Apr 2014 #49

Point taken - and being "leaderless" was misguided Anansi1171 Apr 2014 #50

Hopefully learning from their mistakes leftynyc Apr 2014 #53

Agree...thanks for that exchange. Very enlightening conversation VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #82

I know but lame ducks tend to lose their political capital pretty fast. n/t totodeinhere Apr 2014 #39

Grandma needs help in the kitchen... MADem Apr 2014 #47

Uh..okay. Well, hurry back n/t leftstreet Apr 2014 #54

Not MY grandma.... nt MADem Apr 2014 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author frylock Apr 2014 #89

Anyone who believes that is a fool. DCBob Apr 2014 #56

Have you noticed that, somehow, things just keep getting worse? MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #58

Sure, when you work very hard to ignore positive results. jeff47 Apr 2014 #65

Name something that's improving substantially MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #68

9.5 million more of them will be able to see a doctor this year VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #85

Will a higher or lower percentage of Americans have health insurance MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #92

Some things are getting worse, others better. DanTex Apr 2014 #79

I Think that's a Mis-characterization of a Valid Point Some People are Making fascisthunter Apr 2014 #59

Gore was too corporate for you? That's all this would have taken stevenleser Apr 2014 #62

See, I didn't even say that, and I voted for Gore fascisthunter Apr 2014 #67

The point is broader than for whom you personally voted. It's the philosophy you are espousing. stevenleser Apr 2014 #70

well, I Didn't Vote for the Guy, Because I didn't Think He had a Chance fascisthunter Apr 2014 #77

if only 550 of the 300,000 registered Democrats that voted for bush had instead voted for Gore... frylock Apr 2014 #86

The time to make such a point is in the primary. jeff47 Apr 2014 #66

That's All I Think People are Saying fascisthunter Apr 2014 #72

Perhaps you should seek out a site that doesn't have a partisan "Democratic" mission then. This one Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #69

Exactly. nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #71

Would I be considered a soothsayer if I say "Hobby Lobby anyone". Boomerproud Apr 2014 #73

pretty certain everyone here votes for dems. don't know what the fuck else you want.. frylock Apr 2014 #88

Everyone may vote for Dems Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #110

apparently if you don't for dems and do it with complete adulation.. frylock Apr 2014 #112

Would bringing a HOPE poster into the voting booth help? Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #114

Good grief. Just another of the many whining about DU posts. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #148