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Vashta Nerada

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90. I move to go further than this.

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 09:43 AM

Apr 2014

Anyone with any mental disability (e.g. depression, manic depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.) shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.

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People suffering from severe depression should be banned from purchasing/carrying guns [View all] darkangel218 Apr 2014 OP

Would you agree to having your medical records released loyalsister Apr 2014 #1

+1000 a la izquierda Apr 2014 #9

People should only lug guns around in public if they establish a need Kolesar Apr 2014 #14

So the local police should have access to your medical records? hack89 Apr 2014 #24

A teenager died. Kolesar Apr 2014 #33

So cops should have unlimited discretion to restrict civil liberties? hack89 Apr 2014 #54

local police already do have 'discretion' that they abuse to bypass our 'civil liberties' Sunlei Apr 2014 #115

These threads always bring out the authoritarians hack89 Apr 2014 #116

You and your buddy have already deflected the discussion Kolesar Apr 2014 #147

I directly addressed a point that YOU brought up hack89 Apr 2014 #150

I have a mental illness passiveporcupine Apr 2014 #224

Only a judge can restrict a civil liberty hack89 Apr 2014 #225

That may be part of the problem then passiveporcupine Apr 2014 #229

Taking away civil rights should be very hard hack89 Apr 2014 #230

There are a few of them posing as Democrats here warrant46 Apr 2014 #194

Your "may issue" carry permit system exists in several states and cities. ... spin Apr 2014 #165

I am fine with that - as public safety is at stake DrDan Apr 2014 #81

The cry to "public safety" is wearing pretty thin... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #170

as is the cry for more guns . . . everywhere . . . for everyone DrDan Apr 2014 #221

They don't need to be released to accomplish that. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #99

Who decides what is a disqualifying condition? loyalsister Apr 2014 #119

I dont have the answer to that. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #125

Get out of the middle east would be a start warrant46 Apr 2014 #196

That seems like a psychiatric matter as much or more than a legal one. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #126

NICS = National Instant CRIMINAL background Check. The ill are not DE FACTO criminals HereSince1628 Apr 2014 #121

The database can incorporate that differentiation. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #124

It COULD but it DOESN'T HereSince1628 Apr 2014 #142

Agreed. You couldn't just dump that data into it w/o significant changes. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #155

I was denied a teaching position because my 'record' included a misdiagnosis. HereSince1628 Apr 2014 #156

Actually they don't have to release all the records Marrah_G Apr 2014 #106

in some cases Doctors are required to release medical records to authorities. Sunlei Apr 2014 #113

Someone would have to agree to that KamaAina Apr 2014 #128

If a doctor writes a prescription for anti-depressants louis-t Apr 2014 #228

Agreed malaise Apr 2014 #2

Oh no, gun folks say we must wait until something criminal happens. Hoyt Apr 2014 #3

No, that would be SCOTUS pipoman Apr 2014 #60

So you agree with safeinOhio Apr 2014 #63

It has been case law for decades pipoman Apr 2014 #72

For over 200 years safeinOhio Apr 2014 #73

Wrong pipoman Apr 2014 #78

The individual right to own a firearm safeinOhio Apr 2014 #105

Wrong again, pipoman Apr 2014 #110

That might be wishful thinking for some. safeinOhio Apr 2014 #130

From cornell.law.edu safeinOhio Apr 2014 #132

Keeping in mind that the Miller decision pipoman Apr 2014 #160

I'll keep that in mind. safeinOhio Apr 2014 #162

Fantasy pipoman Apr 2014 #178

History is your friend pipoman Apr 2014 #161

1936 law on safeinOhio Apr 2014 #163

No thats not what it said. beevul Apr 2014 #167

You are a irrational as any pro-gun poster! No logic, just whining! nt Logical Apr 2014 #134

And you love your gunz, to society's detriment. Hoyt Apr 2014 #135

Post a link! And I have dozens where I tear the NRA apart. You.... Logical Apr 2014 #140

The last thing we need is another reason to stop people from seeking mental health care NutmegYankee Apr 2014 #4

I agree. This is a very bad idea. LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #5

I Strongly agree Tribalceltic Apr 2014 #7

I am on the anti-depressant Merry go round. a la izquierda Apr 2014 #11

I'm glad you're doing much better. LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #28

So very pipi_k Apr 2014 #107

+10000 YoungDemCA Apr 2014 #143

Exactly. HuckleB Apr 2014 #153

Also, if there's one thing we still need to learn .. ananda Apr 2014 #6

+1 n/t Alkene Apr 2014 #16

I agree with you about the US mental health system not being good davidpdx Apr 2014 #18

Just a very stupid statement. Medication works for many, probably most HERVEPA Apr 2014 #30

My child would have been dead without them. DebJ Apr 2014 #79

Mine too... pipi_k Apr 2014 #120

Ridiculous. Sorry that in your case it is not true. bettyellen Apr 2014 #109

"Off my meds" I'm an invisible homeless guy. hunter Apr 2014 #111

maybe they didn't work for you fizzgig Apr 2014 #114

Properly prescribed and managed by a competent health professional, Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #157

so very correct nt steve2470 Apr 2014 #231

I wish Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #8

Hmmm Jeneral2885 Apr 2014 #12

Just the rich? yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #57

only for those that want to own a gun - I have no problem with that DrDan Apr 2014 #82

Not really darkangel218 Apr 2014 #83

What Primary Care Provider? oldhippie Apr 2014 #92

So you think doing nothing is better than doing something? darkangel218 Apr 2014 #93

In many cases, yes ..... oldhippie Apr 2014 #103

Down below she says that limiting the voting rights of people w/depression is "good point" Heddi Apr 2014 #200

What if the doctor always says no because he really hates guns? hack89 Apr 2014 #108

How do you check Jeneral2885 Apr 2014 #10

yes how DustyJoe Apr 2014 #22

Yes documents can be falsified. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #84

What's the point of checking? Mental health status is dynamic. It changes HereSince1628 Apr 2014 #98

Ok. How do we know and second what happens when they buy a gun and are depressed later? The Straight Story Apr 2014 #13

Very true, and mostly overlooked HereSince1628 Apr 2014 #100

Gun Control and mental health (see #2) Sancho Apr 2014 #15

... pipoman Apr 2014 #20

I remember reactions like this... Sancho Apr 2014 #34

Not legal nor possible at the federal level pipoman Apr 2014 #41

Who said it has to be a federal law...tell me who has a driver's license without a vision test??? Sancho Apr 2014 #168

You do know driving isn't constitutionally protected? pipoman Apr 2014 #179

My suggestion is constitutional....you have a carry permit don't you? Sancho Apr 2014 #185

No a diagnosis does not equal due process of law... pipoman Apr 2014 #187

"Not debating the legal language." Like the 5th? Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #29

It's obvious that the legal language could be crafted if folks wanted to... Sancho Apr 2014 #31

No....I think the problem comes in here: The Straight Story Apr 2014 #37

I used to live in Alaska, and in past years I was a mental health professional. Sancho Apr 2014 #61

Ok, give me some examples of questions you would ask in screening someone (nt) The Straight Story Apr 2014 #64

That's simple, but I'm not going to pretend to be a current expert. Sancho Apr 2014 #70

Would that license also permit public carry? N/T beevul Apr 2014 #169

A public carry permit is really a license... Sancho Apr 2014 #171

You're missing the point. beevul Apr 2014 #173

lol pipoman Apr 2014 #43

no..it's a problem already solved.... Sancho Apr 2014 #55

What percentage of people with TB pipoman Apr 2014 #58

Again, you're missing the point.... Sancho Apr 2014 #66

States can, feds can't.. pipoman Apr 2014 #69

Case law on licensing? Is your driver's license ok in more than one state? Sancho Apr 2014 #88

The 5th underwrites All laws affecting ones rights. Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #44

A license is a reasonable way to protect the public... Sancho Apr 2014 #91

How about a license for voting? NutmegYankee Apr 2014 #188

We have that now�it's called voter registration�. Sancho Apr 2014 #192

Fail - voter registration is not a license. Try again. NutmegYankee Apr 2014 #195

I'm not going to reply to most of these points tolkien90 Apr 2014 #159

Insurance for gun ownership has been completely discredited. NutmegYankee Apr 2014 #189

Short sightedness pipoman Apr 2014 #17

The problem would be privacy laws davidpdx Apr 2014 #19

cue gun humpers attacking your op in 5,4,3,2,1 Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #21

Castle Bansalot is the dissent free zone hack89 Apr 2014 #26

I think they just pintobean Apr 2014 #47

Que the shortsighted and legally challenged idealists... pipoman Apr 2014 #45

This OP still supports the 2nd Amendment YoungDemCA Apr 2014 #144

This would have been really witty... egduj Apr 2014 #152

living 8000 miles away and 15 time zones makes punctual responses a bit hard Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #215

Ah, so people supporting the 4th Amendment and Medical privacy are gun humpers? NutmegYankee Apr 2014 #191

We have the 5th Anendment which guarantees due process... Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #23

Hey...you are breaking the rules of outrage...no legal facts allowed here... pipoman Apr 2014 #59

Don't forget the 14th HereSince1628 Apr 2014 #67

Yep. W/out 14A the Civil Rights Movement would have been handicapped. Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #131

Thought police. Android3.14 Apr 2014 #25

Illinois had a firearms owner I.D. (FOID) for yrs... Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #36

Jim crow burden? Android3.14 Apr 2014 #117

Are those taxes (and postal rates) higher than for other Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #129

So you support a national data base of mental health patients? Nt hack89 Apr 2014 #27

It's tricky, so there should be a bias against gun-lugging in any "permit application" Kolesar Apr 2014 #35

Of course the only people who need self defense are those who pipoman Apr 2014 #48

The beauty of civil rights is that you never have to justify exercising them to the government. hack89 Apr 2014 #56

Not sure this would work anyway as there are many people suffering from depression maddezmom Apr 2014 #32

People aren't born with depression...it is a condition that can begin at any time and it goes away HereSince1628 Apr 2014 #38

Thank you for this post maddezmom Apr 2014 #40

How about we make mental health available to anyone anytime? geckosfeet Apr 2014 #39

Sounds good, but most people with resources don't seek clinical help for mental illness HereSince1628 Apr 2014 #50

Yes - the stigma must be removed. This is especially prevalent in the military. geckosfeet Apr 2014 #51

People suffering from severe depression should be banned from purchasing/carrying guns... sweetapogee Apr 2014 #42

Was "marijuana" dropped as a disqualifier from 4473 Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #49

google the form, sweetapogee Apr 2014 #52

.. pipoman Apr 2014 #53

maybe sweetapogee Apr 2014 #65

I have advocated investigation of NICS denials for years pipoman Apr 2014 #75

That would mean that the 90% of gun-hugers who are depressed because Obama is President kelliekat44 Apr 2014 #46

There does need to be a better mechanism for separating guns from people who are a danger... aikoaiko Apr 2014 #62

I agree. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #86

But, that's a pipedream. The American Psychological Association says there isn't a way to do it. HereSince1628 Apr 2014 #101

Came across this a bit ago here on the local news: The Straight Story Apr 2014 #68

Nonsense pipoman Apr 2014 #71

this post sweetapogee Apr 2014 #74

It is related in that The Straight Story Apr 2014 #76

except... sweetapogee Apr 2014 #85

Hey, Gun Enthusiasts! Never mind all this! Paladin Apr 2014 #77

Why? Nt hack89 Apr 2014 #226

well, this has brought out the usual suspects. But don't ask them what we can do about CTyankee Apr 2014 #80

Typically in a military situation if the Command knows giftedgirl77 Apr 2014 #87

There's a valid issue here- mental health and guns can lead to tragedy. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #89

2 things HereSince1628 Apr 2014 #104

i think "Violence Culture" is the main problem. Canadians have a lot of guns, probably not as many dionysus Apr 2014 #133

It's much easier for the mainstream to blame certain individuals or groups YoungDemCA Apr 2014 #146

I move to go further than this. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #90

Or vote, they make the wrong choice. Or have 4A rights, they may be hiding something dangerous. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #158

So you believe that people who are mentally disturbed should own guns! Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #166

You said you want them permanently disqualified. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #182

Absolutely. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #184

Then we should also permanently do away with their 4A rights. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #201

I don't know how you arrived to that conclusion. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #217

I see your point, but... pipi_k Apr 2014 #94

Yep...not surprising... Sancho Apr 2014 #95

If you are hospitalized for certain mental disorders in California. . . BigDemVoter Apr 2014 #96

I think people with testesterone should be banned from purchasing guns. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #97

So everyone, then? n/t hughee99 Apr 2014 #123

everyone should be banned from purchasing/carrying guns bowens43 Apr 2014 #102

Doctors will tell depressed people not to have guns around, of course any background requirement Sunlei Apr 2014 #112

probably should ban them from flying planes too. To many side effects from the medications. Sunlei Apr 2014 #118

Never forget just wanting a firearm is the first sign ileus Apr 2014 #122

It is definitely a sign of anti-social behavior. When one covets multiple weapons, and Hoyt Apr 2014 #137

Thanks...I knew you'd have my back. ileus Apr 2014 #138

A government database of medical records, what could go wrong with that? tammywammy Apr 2014 #127

Let's say it like it is...a government CRIMINAL database that adds people due to illness. HereSince1628 Apr 2014 #136

Yep. tammywammy Apr 2014 #139

Especially considering how pervasive mental illness is in our society YoungDemCA Apr 2014 #145

Glad to see you still said "I support the Second Amendment"... YoungDemCA Apr 2014 #141

You are wrong to think my intention was to stigmatize anyone. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #164

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #186

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #148

Hey library girl! hrmjustin Apr 2014 #149

How about people who have been observed acting erratically under the influence of alcohol? Heidi Apr 2014 #151

No chance- older vets with dementia LynnTTT Apr 2014 #154

I have not read this entire thread but.................... steve2470 Apr 2014 #172

Are you sure about that? darkangel218 Apr 2014 #175

two different animals steve2470 Apr 2014 #176

Oh, really? How about producing federal surveillance numbers to back that up HereSince1628 Apr 2014 #177

i think YOU need to read more about it, frankly. dionysus Apr 2014 #199

There is substantial evidence BainsBane Apr 2014 #232

Except in the for-profit war machine wherein it's a prerequisite Corruption Inc Apr 2014 #174

Should people suffering from severe depression be allowed to vote? ( n/t ) Make7 Apr 2014 #180

Good point. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #183

The answer is that public safety is not threatened immediately by the vote... CTyankee Apr 2014 #193

You don't know if people who are depressed should be allowed to vote? Heddi Apr 2014 #198

First 0-7 Leave I've been on. Sissyk Apr 2014 #210

Go after the ammo. deathrind Apr 2014 #181

Medical confidentiality laws make that problematic. Kaleva Apr 2014 #190

One would think that all your Nursing School training would educated you on mental illness Heddi Apr 2014 #197

Are you ever going to stop your personal attacks and have an honest conversation? darkangel218 Apr 2014 #202

Are you ever going to address the points I bring up when i counter your nonsense? Heddi Apr 2014 #205

You just fuking called me a bigot a sentence down. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #208

I said your views towards the mentally ill were bigoted and ill-informed Heddi Apr 2014 #212

Your continual personal attacks against me are disgusting. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #206

Post the stats if you're so sure of them. I am in healthcare and I am much more aware of the reality Heddi Apr 2014 #218

Low information types should be banned from posting nonsense. idendoit Apr 2014 #203

Tell that to the famillies of those who lkst their life. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #204

Tell that to all the non violent people with a mental illness diagnosis. idendoit Apr 2014 #211

Its not a basic right anymore to someone who cant discern the right from wrong. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #214

What qualifies you to say a person with mental illness can't discern right from wrong? idendoit Apr 2014 #216

She also isn't sure if people with depression should be allowed to vote Heddi Apr 2014 #219

Thank you. idendoit Apr 2014 #220

People who support the second amendment should be put on severe medication until the condition XRubicon Apr 2014 #207

Haha! funny darkangel218 Apr 2014 #209

Fuck yeah! Make a mood ring the trigger lock! That'll work! TransitJohn Apr 2014 #213

I read your OP last night right after you posted it. pacalo Apr 2014 #222

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #223

Again with the unsubstantiated stigma-inducing idea phil89 Apr 2014 #227