The two parties are the same

[MADem]

125. Not buying it. Yes, it is the same. You want more examples?

You asked for quotes--and it's very clear what you are saying. These are YOUR words, now--so no crying--you have been shopping these bashing/trashing themes for a long time, here. Again, you demanded examples, and these are YOUR very words:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125154172#post1
Yep - one corporate party, two faces...
When voters stop being pawns, the game will change.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024357172#post17
True - and it was both parties that took him down...

Soon as he spoke about too much corporate power, he was toast.

The people have to stop being manipulated - both sides...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023956405#post5

And you constantly shop this theme in other ways as well--if the ACA was such a GOP solution, why has the GOP tried fifty times to repeal it?

http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1251357874#post74
The ACA is a Republican solution - not a Democratic one...

That's how far the party has fallen.

It's simply not a Democratic solution...

If the party no longer fights for Democratic policies, it's irrelevant and people will vote accordingly.
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1251357874#post76

That's the fearful thinking that has led to a less and less Democratic party...

and more and more RepubliCons posing as Dems. So we get RepubliCons if we win and if we lose.
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1251357874#post63

Bashing and trashing, it's all you seem to do--nothing is ever good, everything sucks when it comes to the Democratic Party as far as you are concerned:

4. Easier to blame the non-voters than a party that offers nothing to vote for.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024667422#post4

You can keep voting for Third Way hacks if you want...

I stand by my post: the party has sold it's soul.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024667422#post117

Reality: voter turnout will continue to be low because the party has sold its soul...

You can call fellow voters all the names you like and keep cursing like a kid having a tantrum, but that's reality. Better to face it asap.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024667422#post124

Yes, we need to build a democratic party...

The question many of us long-time Democratic Party activists are asking ourselves (and our fellow liberals) is where to put our passions (which are based on policy, not party or personalities) and energy to work in the future.

The guys who run this place have been very generous and I know this is pressing my luck, but so be it. (No worries, if this is a step too far and I get tossed.)

We are at a place where we have to decide if this party, with its current structure and inclinations, is worthy of our talents and energy - and, more importantly, if the changes that 99% of the population desperately needs will likely come through this party.

After being away for several months, I came back to see where DU was on this. What I've noticed is how many liberals I used to post with are no longer here. Those of us who are still here seem to be asking the same question. Would it be best to rebuild the Democratic Party or should we build a new people-driven democratic party?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023666297#post58

Is your Congressman worth working for...

or is he just less of an asshole than a Republican?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023591794#post13

And while I am not a fan of Blue Dogs, particularly, I am not so foolish as to believe that kicking them out of the party is going to "help" matters. In some cases, in some states, it's Blue Dog or NUTHIN'. Kicking them out is just going to get more Republicans elected. Yet you demand purity:

Kicking out the Blue Dogs is definitely the way to go...

But we're in a situation where the party establishment is for the Blue Dogs and liberals have been marginalized. So we're fighting the sociopaths on the right and the "Dem" corporatists too. As you say, it could take a long time - and, with climate change and a million other huge problems looming, we don't have years and years. imo we need a people's movement that involves going around the usual channels, using the internet and social media to support and elect candidates who are there to serve the people, not to become corporate lobbyists.

But unfortunately, even here at DU where people have access to endless articles that should enlighten them about what's happening with our bought gov't, many Dems will continue to vote for establishment candidates in the same blind way that RepubliCons vote for their club's choice.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=345629

And here's your response to a "we're screwed/they suck/why bother" rant:

imo there's no reason to bother on a national scale until enough people have had it...

Until then we just bang our heads against a wall when we could be enjoying life as much as possible. For me, an ex-Dem-activist (30+ years), it's a watch and wait game now. Eventually enough people will have had it and a meaningful movement will be possible - for now, I'm smelling the roses, having fun with the people I love, and joining with other liberals to help where it's possible to help in small-scale ways.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024345076#post107

And, to ice the cake--can't help but notice your sig line, too:

One corporate party, two faces - where are the people in that?


If the D and R Parties are "One Corporate Party" you're saying there's no difference, that they have the same corporate body wearing two masks--no matter how you might try to play it. I've never seen you say anything positive about the Democratic party or its platform--you seem to delight in the negative. There's much more than these examples, too--and you know it. It's pretty much your only topic, how "lousy" the Dems are, how much they suck, how crappy they are, how they fail at everything...it's the same theme, day in, day out. Obviously, you think we're shitty, worthless people, we have no souls.... Makes me wonder why you bother, unless you get a kick out of tearing things down?