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JoePhilly

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141. And why did Bush do that?

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 06:24 PM

Apr 2014

Let's review ...

Starting in 2007, the Senator Obama called for a 12-16 month time line to remove all combat forces from Iraq.

Bush and the entire GOP screamed that setting ANY timeline was a terrible idea that did nothing but help the terrorists.

Starting in Feb 2008, CANDIDATE Obama starts calling for the same time line. Bush and the entire GOP again screamed that setting ANY timeline was a terrible idea that did nothing but help the terrorists.

Then ... for some reason, in July 2008, right before the conventions, Bush says he supports a timeline.

Then ... after Obama wins the election, Bush completes the SOFA agreement.

Now, we all know McCain never wanted to leave Iraq. Do you think Bush signs that agreement if McCain wins?

Let's face it ... Bush never wanted to adopt any timeline, and did so only to take Iraq off the table as Obama and McCain entered the home stretch.

When Obama won, Bush signed off on the same timeline Obama had called for back in 2007. Same timeline Bush hated.

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The two parties are the same [View all] BainsBane Apr 2014 OP

Ugh I got a chill looking at the face of evil! kimbutgar Apr 2014 #1

Huge Freaking K&R! hrmjustin Apr 2014 #2

Yup, that pretty much answers the STUPID-ASS question, are the 2 parties the same Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #3

Except nobody says the two sides are the same in every way... polichick Apr 2014 #10

Spare me the rhetoric. Go tell someone who will believe what you have to say. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #12

Spare me the lies. Where does someone say that - quote please. polichick Apr 2014 #13

I believe I asked you before, do not respond to my posts. Not interested. Thanks. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #16

So there's no quote. Of course. polichick Apr 2014 #17

There is plenty of that here. Whisp Apr 2014 #23

Bullshit. If someone says "both sides are corrupt" or "both sides serve corps"... polichick Apr 2014 #26

Anderson Cooper, is that you? Whisp Apr 2014 #30

Obviously both sides are beholden to big money BainsBane Apr 2014 #39

You just attacked that person AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #40

Clearly you missed the point BainsBane Apr 2014 #100

Oh, not at all AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #158

If the Democrats serve corps explain treestar Apr 2014 #77

So true treestar Apr 2014 #75

spare me the philosophical hair splitting. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #131

I see comments all over the internet where folks say that the 'are the same' - with no difference Tx4obama Apr 2014 #14

Where on DU? Quote please. polichick Apr 2014 #15

I think this gets pretty close BainsBane Apr 2014 #29

You really have no clue what I'm saying, huh? Oh well, no worries. polichick Apr 2014 #32

Was there a point other than using cute Con words? BainsBane Apr 2014 #36

Now, YOU asked for "quote please." So here they are.... MADem Apr 2014 #84

I think we all knew they existed Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #89

I'm tired of the bashing, trashing, and shit-kicking. MADem Apr 2014 #93

Right there with you, MADem Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #97

Applause Hekate Apr 2014 #90

There are many, MANY more examples. MADem Apr 2014 #92

To say that both parties serve the same masters is not to say... polichick Apr 2014 #96

That hair is too thin to split anymore. It's time for you to admit defeat and not do it again. nt stevenleser Apr 2014 #110

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #112

You have spun yourself silly and look ridiculous now. Everyone sees it but you. nt stevenleser Apr 2014 #130

Sorry, I take comments like that for what they are. polichick Apr 2014 #132

Good that you recognize the unvarnished truth when I tell it to you. nt stevenleser Apr 2014 #135

Not buying it. Yes, it is the same. You want more examples? MADem Apr 2014 #125

I stand by every post I've made - and yes, I believe both parties... polichick Apr 2014 #127

OK, so you ADMIT what you denied just moments ago. That's a start. MADem Apr 2014 #129

lol - I can't help with your reading skills. polichick Apr 2014 #133

That person read you just fine. You are trying to have it both ways and it doesnt work. nt stevenleser Apr 2014 #136

No, you quite plainly cannot--you might want to get help with your MADem Apr 2014 #137

there's bullshit like this all over; dionysus Apr 2014 #134

Right here on DU? If I started doing a search, I could post who said that exact thing Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #20

I second that Dyspepsia! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #58

LOL :) nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #85

Plus a million! You expressed what we are up against perfectly. n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #103

This putz. madamesilverspurs Apr 2014 #4

That putz would put Raul Cruz and Larry the Cable Guy on the Supreme Court VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #59

He's already there - and unfortunately Dems didn't vote against the nomination. polichick Apr 2014 #5

What are you talking about? BainsBane Apr 2014 #7

And he'd pick someone like Scalia - who's there... polichick Apr 2014 #9

No, because if they blocked nominees for partisan reasons BainsBane Apr 2014 #19

Thank you for posting this. It summarizes it all. A tiny group with 0 ideas but lotsa whining. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #21

Really, you're making excuses for Dems not voting against Scalia... polichick Apr 2014 #24

Excuses? It's not an excuse BainsBane Apr 2014 #27

If you dislike Democrats so much, why on earth are you here? n/t LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #49

One wonders, doesn't one Hekate Apr 2014 #50

a few times i have told these types to not vote for the Democrat JI7 Apr 2014 #56

They just want to Punch Democrats....they have no other policy.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #60

And some get irate BainsBane Apr 2014 #66

And then quite Teddy Roosevelt treestar Apr 2014 #82

For cover BainsBane Apr 2014 #98

oh, that group that says DU shouldn't be partisan toward Democrats... Whisp Apr 2014 #94

Actually, one has a pretty damn good idea LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #113

Heehee Hekate Apr 2014 #119

+1 That's why I left CommonDreams: no solutions, constant complaining and hate. tofuandbeer Apr 2014 #61

you don't have to vote for any Democrat, but i find it interesting that people like you JI7 Apr 2014 #51

I'm waiting for them to start ... PerpetuallyDisgruntled Underground.com JoePhilly Apr 2014 #72

Well that just won't work Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #79

It's about tearing down treestar Apr 2014 #83

+1! That sentiment is peppered throughout this thread. Question is, why are they here? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #87

so you would have voted against Feingold ? you happy Feingold lost ? JI7 Apr 2014 #54

according to you Lindsey Graham is supporting liberal policies because he voted to confirm JI7 Apr 2014 #55

Right? Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #62

You obviously don't know jack shit leftynyc Apr 2014 #69

Slept through high school Civics class, or opted out, or the school board dropped it as irrelevant Hekate Apr 2014 #73

Yet they shriek and whine the leftynyc Apr 2014 #81

Oh, I'm p.o.d all right, and periodically .... Hekate Apr 2014 #88

The list of negative things leftynyc Apr 2014 #95

Dems didn't block Scalia 30 years ok ... so let's punish Dems NOW!!!!!!! JoePhilly Apr 2014 #71

Nice try - it isn't about "punishing" Dems; it's about expecting them... polichick Apr 2014 #99

Because they hate America JoePhilly Apr 2014 #121

You can say something silly like that - or you can come up... polichick Apr 2014 #122

Because the President is President of the entire country. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #123

Do Dem presidents think Dems can't run the military? polichick Apr 2014 #126

We have the EXACT foreign policy that the President said he would have as a candidate. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #128

Well Obama just followed orders pulling out of Iraq UglyGreed Apr 2014 #139

And why did Bush do that? JoePhilly Apr 2014 #141

OK so you give Bush credit for ending the Iraq War. treestar Apr 2014 #147

Nope UglyGreed Apr 2014 #159

Hagel is cutting the military creeksneakers2 Apr 2014 #156

+++ !!! Whisp Apr 2014 #25

"There would be no one on the Supreme Court" AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #42

Thank you. nt Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #65

Very well written Progressive dog Apr 2014 #86

At that point in our history, blocking any nominee was very rare. It makes no sense pnwmom Apr 2014 #34

and there were some republicans who voted to confirm the liberal justices JI7 Apr 2014 #43

Your comment here is beyond daft. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #74

You should have put a graphic warning on your title sarisataka Apr 2014 #6

Yes, I usually put a warning on pictures of Repuklikans.. n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #104

Well, only those who can't fathom facts would say the two parties are the same.. all they Cha Apr 2014 #8

Why bother with hypotheticals? OnyxCollie Apr 2014 #11

The senate confirms SCOTUS appointments BainsBane Apr 2014 #22

3 Democrats voted to confim Alito's nomination (58-42). OnyxCollie Apr 2014 #28

No, you got it because they were appointed by Republican presdients BainsBane Apr 2014 #33

Why couldn't Democrats block the nomination? OnyxCollie Apr 2014 #37

Gang of 14 "up or down" criteria. joshcryer Apr 2014 #41

Bork treestar Apr 2014 #148

Not practical.. both sides usual give in at some point after much arguing, screaming, etc. DCBob Apr 2014 #151

Appointments aren't supposed to be blocked for political reasons. pnwmom Apr 2014 #35

You can't avoid the reality of their ideology nor the hardline nature of the ardents TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #46

How do you explain Sotomayor and Kagan? n/t pnwmom Apr 2014 #63

I just did. Both are moderate, particularly Kagan. Both arguably more conservative than TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #107

They may be moderate for 1970. They are liberal for post 2000, pnwmom Apr 2014 #115

How many Republicans confirmed the nomination of Sotomayor and Kagan? jeff47 Apr 2014 #111

His soul is empty. sheshe2 Apr 2014 #18

wait, are you saying this about Canada's parties? CreekDog Apr 2014 #31

He would probably appoint his father, who is unbelievably much more right-wing than he Samantha Apr 2014 #38

so i guess some think Russ Feingold deserved to lose JI7 Apr 2014 #44

Anyone who says Democrats are the same as Republicans has LOST THEIR FUCKING MIND! baldguy Apr 2014 #45

Yeah, the two parties are the same on Global Climate Change.. Cha Apr 2014 #47

The Republicans are worse! So vote DEM, and cheer all their wholesale giveaways to the GOP! YAY!!! blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #48

I'm convinced you may have forgotten the mission of "Democratic" Underground. We're partisan. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #80

Granted that the two parties are not exactly the same yet iemitsu Apr 2014 #52

Yep! i just read a story in the AP showing his theocratic tendencies! alp227 Apr 2014 #53

Is false - the two parties turn out to be not the same at all. Rex Apr 2014 #57

Kick & recommended. William769 Apr 2014 #64

I can think of nothing, here, to add. Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #67

The belief that Jamaal510 Apr 2014 #68

yet is continues BainsBane Apr 2014 #70

BainsBane nails it! JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #76

Thanks for the 'drops mic' gif! *steals* n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #105

I like it too BainsBane Apr 2014 #138

The two parties *are* too much alike. Marr Apr 2014 #78

+1 deutsey Apr 2014 #101

or if they didn't *vote* for the same damn "Justices" they're condemning MisterP Apr 2014 #143

The only way they are the same is that both parties are inhabited Whisp Apr 2014 #91

Or a Libertarian. To them, they are both the same, because they *aren't* Libertarian. n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #106

Yeah, to me libertarian has always meant right wing BainsBane Apr 2014 #108

Exactly Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #109

There are left-libertariains. jeff47 Apr 2014 #114

I always understood that to be anarchism. BainsBane Apr 2014 #116

No, they still want a government. jeff47 Apr 2014 #117

Sounds like an old-school Republican to me. BainsBane Apr 2014 #118

More-or-less. jeff47 Apr 2014 #120

The results *are* the same, only the complaints vary. More and more, they want the same thing... freshwest Apr 2014 #124

OT but what movie is that from ? I keep seeing that image steve2470 Apr 2014 #142

'They Live' by John Carpenter. A science fiction cult classic about a guy finds a pair of sunglasses freshwest Apr 2014 #145

thanks ! :) nt steve2470 Apr 2014 #146

The only time I hear that statement (both parties are the same) is from right wingers liberal N proud Apr 2014 #102

Did someone stuff a Paul Ryan costume with cockroaches? gulliver Apr 2014 #140

Surely people can concede BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #144

Welcome to DU Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #149

They Do Differ colsohlibgal Apr 2014 #150

Think about who THIS guy DID appoint to the Supreme Court! TrollBuster9090 Apr 2014 #152

I SURRENDER DOROTHY !!! AAO Apr 2014 #153

It's all about perspective and distance. Bonobo Apr 2014 #154

GOP is beyond awful and is thoroughly evil. nikto Apr 2014 #155

Exactly. herding cats Apr 2014 #157