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MADem

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126. And people who are alcoholics never fall off the wagon. Get treatment! Problem solved!

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:44 AM

Apr 2014

I have a relative who struggles with a chemical imbalance and is occasionally non-compliant with medication. That relative, plus a gun, would be a nightmare waiting to happen. Fortunately, that branch of the family tree does not participate in the "gun culture" much if at all.

Don't play the "pure ignorance" card with me. I don't buy it. The one who is "purely ignorant" is the person who doesn't understand that attention to mental illness is a lifelong process, not a 'magic pill' endeavor. It can be managed in a straightforward way, but it requires attention by the person with the chemical imbalance as well as the attention of family and loved ones.

I don't have a strong view as to the "solution" for this matter, but I do think that if that Lanza kid hadn't had access to guns, a lot of little kids, and his mother, would be alive, and if that Joker clown in the movie theater hadn't been able to get his hands on a gun, a lot of lives would be spared. That's pretty self-evident.

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I have a diagnosed mental illness. [View all] ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 OP

... CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2014 #1

Anything to avoid the heart of the issue BainsBane Apr 2014 #2

Exactly, and this is one of those cases in which they are using outright bigotry to avoid the issue Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #4

Yup. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #7

We need to have the discussion. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #17

Excellent post: thucythucy Apr 2014 #79

yup. nt La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2014 #27

I haven't seen a single pro 2nd person on pipoman Apr 2014 #30

You haven't looked very hard BainsBane Apr 2014 #31

darkangel is a gun control advocate. pipoman Apr 2014 #38

That's why she says she supports the 2a in her post BainsBane Apr 2014 #39

And the most often heard phrase before a gun ban is suggested is I support the 2nd amendment. clffrdjk Apr 2014 #51

In an alternate universe pipoman Apr 2014 #54

A clever way to rationalize it to better maintain your perception. LanternWaste Apr 2014 #90

I support the second amendment abut I also support gun control and revised gun laws. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #196

there is no such thing as 'gun rights' that is a myth perpetrated by the death merchants bowens43 Apr 2014 #152

There is a distinction pipoman Apr 2014 #154

Only the 2nd mentions "a well regulated militia", Progressive dog Apr 2014 #155

asked and answered about 1000 times pipoman Apr 2014 #156

The reply was to your claim of a distinction between rights, Progressive dog Apr 2014 #159

Apparently you failed to read the statement i was responding to. .. pipoman Apr 2014 #161

I responded to you. Apparently you failed to Progressive dog Apr 2014 #162

oh, and pipoman Apr 2014 #157

You should have been there to set them straight Progressive dog Apr 2014 #158

And yet again, pipoman Apr 2014 #160

You didn't ask a question, so why do you expect an answer? Progressive dog Apr 2014 #163

nice point Vattel Apr 2014 #91

*Ahem* I call bullshit. NutmegYankee Apr 2014 #110

This is exactly what it is. hunter Apr 2014 #113

every instance of gun violence have one thing in common, a gun. Period. Guns ARE the problem. bowens43 Apr 2014 #151

What is this in reference to? nt SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #3

Most likely this: Make7 Apr 2014 #14

Thanks Make7 nt SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #15

Databases are for electronic data silly. geckosfeet Apr 2014 #5

Yes you should be in a database itsrobert Apr 2014 #6

At least your honest. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #10

There are plenty in there with convictions and involuntary committment. . pipoman Apr 2014 #34

You're encouraging people with potential Union Scribe Apr 2014 #73

Has he or she committed a crime? HuckleB Apr 2014 #100

why should we be in a database? fizzgig Apr 2014 #179

I don't even want a gun. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #8

Please put that in the OP: SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #11

It's a shame that people are so passionate about a cause that truedelphi Apr 2014 #29

My father was diagnosed as manic depressive with schizophrenic tendencies. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #84

"It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt." MADem Apr 2014 #134

I think you should have to obtain, and maintain, and renew, a license to own a gun. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #182

If this is in reference to having guns nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #9

the vast majority of mental illnesses do not make one predisposed to violence. dionysus Apr 2014 #25

!!! zappaman Apr 2014 #35

BUT PTSD does...mostly suicides though....and we suddenly have ALOT more PTSD's VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #74

correct. however, it's highly wrong to treat all mental illnesses as the same. dionysus Apr 2014 #80

I understand...BUT the fact remains we suddenly have ALOT of PTSD VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #117

The problem here is WAR. n/t DebJ Apr 2014 #122

Yes! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #123

If I was ever in the military (which would only happen by force), I'd likely commit suicide too. DebJ Apr 2014 #125

What you just described is what people who suffer from PTSD feel.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #130

Lol.. X_Digger Apr 2014 #105

... maddezmom Apr 2014 #150

As someone that has suffered from severe mental illness since childhood, I agree with you, Nadin Mnemosyne Apr 2014 #32

You understand and I understand nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #40

I know too many people with untreated anger issues and I hate knowing they own guns. Mnemosyne Apr 2014 #53

This "delicate flower" thing: What does the metaphor mean to you? Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #133

Look up modern world and that phrase nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #164

Well, I found the meaning Psychology Today has... Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #165

I told you precisely where to look nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #166

I got that drift. Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #167

that was uncalled for nadinbrzeezinski. liberal_at_heart Apr 2014 #181

Pointing out that some people who happen to have a diagnosis nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #183

personally I believed everyone has one disability or another hollysmom Apr 2014 #12

I don't think Michelle Bachmann is mentally ill - hedgehog Apr 2014 #57

Well I agree about arms, but hollysmom Apr 2014 #59

Have you seen her eyes, hedgehog? Laffy Kat Apr 2014 #111

I don't think your assumption about a manic state is correct. DebJ Apr 2014 #121

Thank you for telling me about this! All i've ever read about are the happy manics. hedgehog Apr 2014 #168

The issue has to do with danger to self or others due to mental illness and not.. aikoaiko Apr 2014 #13

and lots of folks who aren't mentally ill are a danger BainsBane Apr 2014 #16

True, but most of the high death count sprees seem to involve significant mental instability. aikoaiko Apr 2014 #33

Like Bush Jr? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #43

Cheneyitis aikoaiko Apr 2014 #47

statistically, people with mental illness are LESS likely to commit violent crimes BainsBane Apr 2014 #44

I'm OK with shooting while intoxicated laws. aikoaiko Apr 2014 #49

To follow your logic BainsBane Apr 2014 #204

This message was self-deleted by its author redruddyred Apr 2014 #202

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Apr 2014 #203

depends on the data base doesn't it dembotoz Apr 2014 #18

A good database will not include all nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #42

so what do you suggest people do ? you don't think mental health evaluation JI7 Apr 2014 #19

That's not the point. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #21

Perhaps only those certified as mentally perfect should be able to own a gun? Fumesucker Apr 2014 #23

i don't think most people should have a gun and would support strict laws JI7 Apr 2014 #26

Which is why I wouldn't vote for you if you ran The Straight Story Apr 2014 #45

You don't think people who want guns will avoid mental health treatment under such a system? HuckleB Apr 2014 #103

don't listen to the imbeciles who say medication and treatments don't work, they are fools. nt dionysus Apr 2014 #20

Or maybe they are people for whom medication and "treatment" didn't work? Fumesucker Apr 2014 #37

some individuals are resistant to treatment, like with any medical condition. but people have dionysus Apr 2014 #41

No, we don't understand it well enough. HuckleB Apr 2014 #104

I was diagnosed with depression. jeff47 Apr 2014 #22

The extra step sounds like a good idea, Jeff. nt Mnemosyne Apr 2014 #36

This thread isn't about the debate in the other thread. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #24

And it is important to reflect on the fact that truedelphi Apr 2014 #46

Good grief. DebJ Apr 2014 #124

My sympathy to you for truedelphi Apr 2014 #200

Thank you for your kind words, but DebJ Apr 2014 #201

Thank you for the post. The 'gun' topic interests me and I read most petronius Apr 2014 #28

Me, too. politicat Apr 2014 #48

Thank you for sharing! ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #52

Let me add a qualifier and ask you a serious question nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #60

Assessing a threat to self or others is difficult and not static. politicat Apr 2014 #118

No it is not, but right now he should not nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #119

And again, if he's a danger, I strongly suggest contacting an adult social worker. politicat Apr 2014 #171

THIS IS THE BEST POST I HAVE READ ON DU IN MY 10.5 YEARS HERE !!!!!!!!! DebJ Apr 2014 #127

Awwww.. politicat Apr 2014 #169

Thank you... F4lconF16 Apr 2014 #138

Thanks! politicat Apr 2014 #170

Excellent post maddezmom Apr 2014 #149

K&R LittleBlue Apr 2014 #50

The problem isn't mental illness, it's WAR n/t Holly_Hobby Apr 2014 #55

Don't take it personally, as a failing. It's a condition, and it locks you out of certain things. MADem Apr 2014 #56

Why should it? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #58

People who are scared and fearful sometimes react out of those impulses, not out of violent ones. MADem Apr 2014 #61

And people who drink sometimes beat their wives. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #62

If you think, for half a second, I'm going to mitigate "spouse beating," you've got another "think" MADem Apr 2014 #69

People who drink might get in their car and kill someone. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #71

I am not going to answer this question because you are hyperposting to my one reply. MADem Apr 2014 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel Apr 2014 #92

You are a very nasty person classykaren Apr 2014 #96

Your opinion means nothing to me--I don't know you at all. nt MADem Apr 2014 #97

You mean nothing to me bully classykaren Apr 2014 #142

More name calling--real "classy," there, "karen." MADem Apr 2014 #143

Fear doesn't equal mental illness. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #72

I never said it did. I get the strong impression you're trying to pull a circular argument with me. MADem Apr 2014 #76

More nonsense. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #82

No, you've talked YOUR self into a corner, and you're being rude and nasty as well. MADem Apr 2014 #87

Forgo, this DUer is PRECISELY the type of person who needs people like you who have the courage to DebJ Apr 2014 #132

How lovely of you to paint me with your broad brush when you do not even know me. MADem Apr 2014 #139

His topic wasn't 'Gungeon'. Other posters brought it there. They missed the entire point DebJ Apr 2014 #136

I think I've made it clear (read through this thread) that I don't regard people MADem Apr 2014 #137

PTSD puts you at a higher risk of suicide than the general population.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #78

Not all mental illness is PTSD. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #83

Exactly. Not even close. HuckleB Apr 2014 #102

Not at all... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #116

Nope. History is your friend. Learn it. HuckleB Apr 2014 #185

WTF does that even mean? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #187

History is much longer than 10 years, which is why your posts are pointless. HuckleB Apr 2014 #188

Yes...History is longer than 10 yrs.. VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #189

Obvious. HuckleB Apr 2014 #190

I did not say that.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #115

Your post indicates otherwise. HuckleB Apr 2014 #191

Whatever... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #192

I make good sense. You don't like logic. I get it. HuckleB Apr 2014 #193

As a matter of fact I do like logic.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #194

Alas, your claims are not supported by your posts. HuckleB Apr 2014 #195

Proof... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #199

Scared and fearful does not equal the set of people with neurobiological brain disorders. DebJ Apr 2014 #128

Excuse me. MADem Apr 2014 #129

The similarity is putting people in boxes that you have designed, and deciding that DebJ Apr 2014 #135

I don't think gun ownership is a "civil right." MADem Apr 2014 #140

This is pure ignorance. HuckleB Apr 2014 #101

And people who are alcoholics never fall off the wagon. Get treatment! Problem solved! MADem Apr 2014 #126

Blah. Blah. Blah. Derp. HuckleB Apr 2014 #186

This message was self-deleted by its author WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #63

I don't know. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #64

My apologies, I didn't know there were multiple threads WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #66

No worries. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #67

a lot of the stuff I hear suggested Skittles Apr 2014 #65

IKR!? Rex Apr 2014 #120

National Databases for medical conditions are a terrible idea. dilby Apr 2014 #68

Rec! Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #70

And many of us have loved ones who are mentally ill. BiPolar runs in my family. My brother who is jwirr Apr 2014 #75

There is no evidence whatsoever that "mental illness" in the aggregate Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #81

But... as I said above nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #85

K&R lillypaddle Apr 2014 #86

According the the NIH, 26% of us have some form of mental illness. progressoid Apr 2014 #88

K&R JoeyT Apr 2014 #89

I don't pretend to know enough about the entire spectrum of mental illnesses LanternWaste Apr 2014 #93

Thank you for the post. You are to be commended. idendoit Apr 2014 #94

why not just restrict alcohol? bossy22 Apr 2014 #175

... handmade34 Apr 2014 #95

K&R Stellar Apr 2014 #98

A long, long discussion is needed in this country. dinger130 Apr 2014 #99

K&R! Phlem Apr 2014 #106

Please explain this..."diagnosed mental illness" Stuart G Apr 2014 #107

What? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #173

I applaud your OP, the situation is worrisome...I do not want to see this evolve into Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #108

People with mental illnesses are statistically AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #109

This is true. xfundy Apr 2014 #114

People with severe PTSD, anger management problems, schizophrenia... Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #112

I love this quote by Archbishop Romero flamingdem Apr 2014 #131

A profound statement but not necessarily true. Live and Learn Apr 2014 #146

what medications are you on(that "didn't work") & what do you think about the side effects? Sunlei Apr 2014 #141

I've tried a few ssri's and hated all of them. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #172

That is good you are carefull with those medications & paid attention to side effects. Sunlei Apr 2014 #174

I'm pretty sure I read the sickening thread that lead to this post. Jasana Apr 2014 #144

Hey there! Why would i even dignify you with a serious answer when your question darkangel218 Apr 2014 #184

I did not ask you a question... Jasana Apr 2014 #197

And so is mine. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #198

IMHO everyone suffers from some kind of "mental illness" Live and Learn Apr 2014 #145

I understand you completely a la izquierda Apr 2014 #147

Thank you Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #148

A huge percentage of the population... sendero Apr 2014 #153

Is your illness blindness to the letter 'g'? randome Apr 2014 #176

Thanks for pointing out the spelling mistake. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #177

Crucial OP IrishAyes Apr 2014 #178

The majority of the country has a mental illness sometime during their lifetime. Depression being liberal_at_heart Apr 2014 #180