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DebJ

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132. Forgo, this DUer is PRECISELY the type of person who needs people like you who have the courage to
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:19 AM
Apr 2014

speak up. Thank you.

Since my son's diagnosis, I have often brought up the topic of neurobiological brain disorders (NBD) and society's treatment of
people with such diagnosis. ... but only to people who do not interact with my son, except for close family and friends, so that he does not pay the terrible prices extracted by so many in our society. My son and I live many miles away from each other these days, so I can and do speak freely with most people I interact with these days. Quite often they are extremely shocked when I initiate the topic and openly discuss it, at as great a length as they will allow. You see, I am supposed to feel ashamed and embarrassed. My son is supposed to feel ashamed and embarrassed. Just like when I was a child, people in wheelchairs or otherwise disabled were considered an embarrassment, unless perhaps they were vets. And I say perhaps. The more I speak up, the less uncomfortable people become with the topic, and the less uncomfortable with their own ignorance, and the more interested and educated they become. And the less fearful, and vengeful, and bigoted.

This is the battle we must fight, for decades to come. Decades of unnecessary hell inflicted upon those with NBDs who, by the very nature of NBDs, often find themselves in an unjustified hell. Disgusting. Ignorant. Uncivil. Ridiculous. Like every civil rights fight throughout the ages, but this will be the hardest battle ever, the longest battle, the nastiest one of all. And it will only be won with people who speak up. And it will not be won with people whose attitudes mirror MADems. "Don't get educated, just get loud." And disrespectful. Succumb to your fear and shout and penalize as many as you can to make YOURSELF feel better. This is the attitude that means those who know better must continue to speak up, no matter the intolerance and the vehemence and fear that is exemplified by the other party. It's a hard thing to do, knowing that whatever progress you make will only be inches of progress when millions of miles of progress must be achieved.

This country's justice system was predicated on the notion that as a society, we are better off to allow a guilty man to go free now and again, rather than imprison the innocent. But our society can't as yet apply that same principle to those with an NBD.... no, just 'guilty' is all they scream. And, most of all, they can't understand that a diagnosis of an NBD does not mean a certain black-and-white status quo. Saying someone has an NBD (that we improperly call 'mental' illness) is like saying someone is blonde... white blonde? dirty blonde? reddish blonde? How many shades of 'blonde' are there? Bipolar is a SPECTRUM. There is such an enormous difference in the impact upon one individual versus another it is staggering to contemplate.

Once again, I must say thank you Barack for the brain research project. We may never get the knowledge we need, because for sure there are many factors that cause such things, but at least, there is a beginning. Science and logic will be applied, instead of a medieval fear.



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I have a diagnosed mental illness. [View all] ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 OP
... CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2014 #1
Anything to avoid the heart of the issue BainsBane Apr 2014 #2
Exactly, and this is one of those cases in which they are using outright bigotry to avoid the issue Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #4
Yup. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #7
We need to have the discussion. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #17
Excellent post: thucythucy Apr 2014 #79
yup. nt La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2014 #27
I haven't seen a single pro 2nd person on pipoman Apr 2014 #30
You haven't looked very hard BainsBane Apr 2014 #31
darkangel is a gun control advocate. pipoman Apr 2014 #38
That's why she says she supports the 2a in her post BainsBane Apr 2014 #39
And the most often heard phrase before a gun ban is suggested is I support the 2nd amendment. clffrdjk Apr 2014 #51
In an alternate universe pipoman Apr 2014 #54
A clever way to rationalize it to better maintain your perception. LanternWaste Apr 2014 #90
I support the second amendment abut I also support gun control and revised gun laws. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #196
there is no such thing as 'gun rights' that is a myth perpetrated by the death merchants bowens43 Apr 2014 #152
There is a distinction pipoman Apr 2014 #154
Only the 2nd mentions "a well regulated militia", Progressive dog Apr 2014 #155
asked and answered about 1000 times pipoman Apr 2014 #156
The reply was to your claim of a distinction between rights, Progressive dog Apr 2014 #159
Apparently you failed to read the statement i was responding to. .. pipoman Apr 2014 #161
I responded to you. Apparently you failed to Progressive dog Apr 2014 #162
oh, and pipoman Apr 2014 #157
You should have been there to set them straight Progressive dog Apr 2014 #158
And yet again, pipoman Apr 2014 #160
You didn't ask a question, so why do you expect an answer? Progressive dog Apr 2014 #163
nice point Vattel Apr 2014 #91
*Ahem* I call bullshit. NutmegYankee Apr 2014 #110
This is exactly what it is. hunter Apr 2014 #113
every instance of gun violence have one thing in common, a gun. Period. Guns ARE the problem. bowens43 Apr 2014 #151
What is this in reference to? nt SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #3
Most likely this: Make7 Apr 2014 #14
Thanks Make7 nt SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #15
Databases are for electronic data silly. geckosfeet Apr 2014 #5
Yes you should be in a database itsrobert Apr 2014 #6
At least your honest. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #10
There are plenty in there with convictions and involuntary committment. . pipoman Apr 2014 #34
You're encouraging people with potential Union Scribe Apr 2014 #73
Has he or she committed a crime? HuckleB Apr 2014 #100
why should we be in a database? fizzgig Apr 2014 #179
I don't even want a gun. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #8
Please put that in the OP: SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #11
It's a shame that people are so passionate about a cause that truedelphi Apr 2014 #29
My father was diagnosed as manic depressive with schizophrenic tendencies. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #84
"It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt." MADem Apr 2014 #134
I think you should have to obtain, and maintain, and renew, a license to own a gun. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #182
If this is in reference to having guns nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #9
the vast majority of mental illnesses do not make one predisposed to violence. dionysus Apr 2014 #25
!!! zappaman Apr 2014 #35
BUT PTSD does...mostly suicides though....and we suddenly have ALOT more PTSD's VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #74
correct. however, it's highly wrong to treat all mental illnesses as the same. dionysus Apr 2014 #80
I understand...BUT the fact remains we suddenly have ALOT of PTSD VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #117
The problem here is WAR. n/t DebJ Apr 2014 #122
Yes! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #123
If I was ever in the military (which would only happen by force), I'd likely commit suicide too. DebJ Apr 2014 #125
What you just described is what people who suffer from PTSD feel.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #130
Lol.. X_Digger Apr 2014 #105
... maddezmom Apr 2014 #150
As someone that has suffered from severe mental illness since childhood, I agree with you, Nadin Mnemosyne Apr 2014 #32
You understand and I understand nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #40
I know too many people with untreated anger issues and I hate knowing they own guns. Mnemosyne Apr 2014 #53
This "delicate flower" thing: What does the metaphor mean to you? Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #133
Look up modern world and that phrase nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #164
Well, I found the meaning Psychology Today has... Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #165
I told you precisely where to look nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #166
I got that drift. Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #167
that was uncalled for nadinbrzeezinski. liberal_at_heart Apr 2014 #181
Pointing out that some people who happen to have a diagnosis nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #183
personally I believed everyone has one disability or another hollysmom Apr 2014 #12
I don't think Michelle Bachmann is mentally ill - hedgehog Apr 2014 #57
Well I agree about arms, but hollysmom Apr 2014 #59
Have you seen her eyes, hedgehog? Laffy Kat Apr 2014 #111
I don't think your assumption about a manic state is correct. DebJ Apr 2014 #121
Thank you for telling me about this! All i've ever read about are the happy manics. hedgehog Apr 2014 #168
The issue has to do with danger to self or others due to mental illness and not.. aikoaiko Apr 2014 #13
and lots of folks who aren't mentally ill are a danger BainsBane Apr 2014 #16
True, but most of the high death count sprees seem to involve significant mental instability. aikoaiko Apr 2014 #33
Like Bush Jr? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #43
Cheneyitis aikoaiko Apr 2014 #47
statistically, people with mental illness are LESS likely to commit violent crimes BainsBane Apr 2014 #44
I'm OK with shooting while intoxicated laws. aikoaiko Apr 2014 #49
To follow your logic BainsBane Apr 2014 #204
This message was self-deleted by its author redruddyred Apr 2014 #202
Welcome to DU gopiscrap Apr 2014 #203
depends on the data base doesn't it dembotoz Apr 2014 #18
A good database will not include all nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #42
so what do you suggest people do ? you don't think mental health evaluation JI7 Apr 2014 #19
That's not the point. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #21
Perhaps only those certified as mentally perfect should be able to own a gun? Fumesucker Apr 2014 #23
i don't think most people should have a gun and would support strict laws JI7 Apr 2014 #26
Which is why I wouldn't vote for you if you ran The Straight Story Apr 2014 #45
You don't think people who want guns will avoid mental health treatment under such a system? HuckleB Apr 2014 #103
don't listen to the imbeciles who say medication and treatments don't work, they are fools. nt dionysus Apr 2014 #20
Or maybe they are people for whom medication and "treatment" didn't work? Fumesucker Apr 2014 #37
some individuals are resistant to treatment, like with any medical condition. but people have dionysus Apr 2014 #41
No, we don't understand it well enough. HuckleB Apr 2014 #104
I was diagnosed with depression. jeff47 Apr 2014 #22
The extra step sounds like a good idea, Jeff. nt Mnemosyne Apr 2014 #36
This thread isn't about the debate in the other thread. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #24
And it is important to reflect on the fact that truedelphi Apr 2014 #46
Good grief. DebJ Apr 2014 #124
My sympathy to you for truedelphi Apr 2014 #200
Thank you for your kind words, but DebJ Apr 2014 #201
Thank you for the post. The 'gun' topic interests me and I read most petronius Apr 2014 #28
Me, too. politicat Apr 2014 #48
Thank you for sharing! ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #52
Let me add a qualifier and ask you a serious question nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #60
Assessing a threat to self or others is difficult and not static. politicat Apr 2014 #118
No it is not, but right now he should not nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #119
And again, if he's a danger, I strongly suggest contacting an adult social worker. politicat Apr 2014 #171
THIS IS THE BEST POST I HAVE READ ON DU IN MY 10.5 YEARS HERE !!!!!!!!! DebJ Apr 2014 #127
Awwww.. politicat Apr 2014 #169
Thank you... F4lconF16 Apr 2014 #138
Thanks! politicat Apr 2014 #170
Excellent post maddezmom Apr 2014 #149
K&R LittleBlue Apr 2014 #50
The problem isn't mental illness, it's WAR n/t Holly_Hobby Apr 2014 #55
Don't take it personally, as a failing. It's a condition, and it locks you out of certain things. MADem Apr 2014 #56
Why should it? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #58
People who are scared and fearful sometimes react out of those impulses, not out of violent ones. MADem Apr 2014 #61
And people who drink sometimes beat their wives. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #62
If you think, for half a second, I'm going to mitigate "spouse beating," you've got another "think" MADem Apr 2014 #69
People who drink might get in their car and kill someone. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #71
I am not going to answer this question because you are hyperposting to my one reply. MADem Apr 2014 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel Apr 2014 #92
You are a very nasty person classykaren Apr 2014 #96
Your opinion means nothing to me--I don't know you at all. nt MADem Apr 2014 #97
You mean nothing to me bully classykaren Apr 2014 #142
More name calling--real "classy," there, "karen." MADem Apr 2014 #143
Fear doesn't equal mental illness. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #72
I never said it did. I get the strong impression you're trying to pull a circular argument with me. MADem Apr 2014 #76
More nonsense. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #82
No, you've talked YOUR self into a corner, and you're being rude and nasty as well. MADem Apr 2014 #87
Forgo, this DUer is PRECISELY the type of person who needs people like you who have the courage to DebJ Apr 2014 #132
How lovely of you to paint me with your broad brush when you do not even know me. MADem Apr 2014 #139
His topic wasn't 'Gungeon'. Other posters brought it there. They missed the entire point DebJ Apr 2014 #136
I think I've made it clear (read through this thread) that I don't regard people MADem Apr 2014 #137
PTSD puts you at a higher risk of suicide than the general population.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #78
Not all mental illness is PTSD. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #83
Exactly. Not even close. HuckleB Apr 2014 #102
Not at all... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #116
Nope. History is your friend. Learn it. HuckleB Apr 2014 #185
WTF does that even mean? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #187
History is much longer than 10 years, which is why your posts are pointless. HuckleB Apr 2014 #188
Yes...History is longer than 10 yrs.. VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #189
Obvious. HuckleB Apr 2014 #190
I did not say that.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #115
Your post indicates otherwise. HuckleB Apr 2014 #191
Whatever... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #192
I make good sense. You don't like logic. I get it. HuckleB Apr 2014 #193
As a matter of fact I do like logic.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #194
Alas, your claims are not supported by your posts. HuckleB Apr 2014 #195
Proof... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #199
Scared and fearful does not equal the set of people with neurobiological brain disorders. DebJ Apr 2014 #128
Excuse me. MADem Apr 2014 #129
The similarity is putting people in boxes that you have designed, and deciding that DebJ Apr 2014 #135
I don't think gun ownership is a "civil right." MADem Apr 2014 #140
This is pure ignorance. HuckleB Apr 2014 #101
And people who are alcoholics never fall off the wagon. Get treatment! Problem solved! MADem Apr 2014 #126
Blah. Blah. Blah. Derp. HuckleB Apr 2014 #186
This message was self-deleted by its author WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #63
I don't know. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #64
My apologies, I didn't know there were multiple threads WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #66
No worries. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #67
a lot of the stuff I hear suggested Skittles Apr 2014 #65
IKR!? Rex Apr 2014 #120
National Databases for medical conditions are a terrible idea. dilby Apr 2014 #68
Rec! Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #70
And many of us have loved ones who are mentally ill. BiPolar runs in my family. My brother who is jwirr Apr 2014 #75
There is no evidence whatsoever that "mental illness" in the aggregate Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #81
But... as I said above nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #85
K&R lillypaddle Apr 2014 #86
According the the NIH, 26% of us have some form of mental illness. progressoid Apr 2014 #88
K&R JoeyT Apr 2014 #89
I don't pretend to know enough about the entire spectrum of mental illnesses LanternWaste Apr 2014 #93
Thank you for the post. You are to be commended. idendoit Apr 2014 #94
why not just restrict alcohol? bossy22 Apr 2014 #175
... handmade34 Apr 2014 #95
K&R Stellar Apr 2014 #98
A long, long discussion is needed in this country. dinger130 Apr 2014 #99
K&R! Phlem Apr 2014 #106
Please explain this..."diagnosed mental illness" Stuart G Apr 2014 #107
What? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #173
I applaud your OP, the situation is worrisome...I do not want to see this evolve into Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #108
People with mental illnesses are statistically AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #109
This is true. xfundy Apr 2014 #114
People with severe PTSD, anger management problems, schizophrenia... Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #112
I love this quote by Archbishop Romero flamingdem Apr 2014 #131
A profound statement but not necessarily true. Live and Learn Apr 2014 #146
what medications are you on(that "didn't work") & what do you think about the side effects? Sunlei Apr 2014 #141
I've tried a few ssri's and hated all of them. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #172
That is good you are carefull with those medications & paid attention to side effects. Sunlei Apr 2014 #174
I'm pretty sure I read the sickening thread that lead to this post. Jasana Apr 2014 #144
Hey there! Why would i even dignify you with a serious answer when your question darkangel218 Apr 2014 #184
I did not ask you a question... Jasana Apr 2014 #197
And so is mine. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #198
IMHO everyone suffers from some kind of "mental illness" Live and Learn Apr 2014 #145
I understand you completely a la izquierda Apr 2014 #147
Thank you Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #148
A huge percentage of the population... sendero Apr 2014 #153
Is your illness blindness to the letter 'g'? randome Apr 2014 #176
Thanks for pointing out the spelling mistake. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #177
Crucial OP IrishAyes Apr 2014 #178
The majority of the country has a mental illness sometime during their lifetime. Depression being liberal_at_heart Apr 2014 #180
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