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cthulu2016

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23. It will affect more than 50% of wages, surely. Arguably 100%.
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 02:52 PM
Apr 2014

Truth be told, everyone is paid in multiples of the minimum wage.

For instance, most retail managers are on salary, not hourly. They are paid a flat X for what is supposed to be, say, 44 hours of work. Since they typically work more than that 44 hours the actual hourly wage of a night manager or assistant manager is often not much better than that of a cashier.

Raise the minimum wage and that night manager job suddenly becomes a distinctly below minimum wage job. Though the night manager's pay is not at minimum wage, it must rise (in practice) if minimum wage goes up.



Anyone who is currently making above minimum wage is doing so because of a scarcity... something about them makes them worth more than the employee one can get for minimum wage. Not just for the dollar value of the minimum wage, but for the concept of the minimum wage. They are competing with some base-level employee and what that base-level commands is part of the math.

"Few people are qualified to do this job and it isn't fun so it has to pay more than minimum wage or nobody would do it."


Because if the money is the same either way, they can have their pick of minimum wage jobs. Some minimum wage job out there will be more desirable... closer to home, easier, better smellning.

Whatever it was warranted a premium is still in place, but the level has shifted. A premium is still demanded by the circumstance, however.

A lot of people would rather pot plants or walk dogs than make calls for a collection agency. If the money was the same, who would chose to make collection calls?

(Raising the minimum wage is inflationary, which is a bonus in this economy which really needs some inflation to help shift the equities back toward 50-50 lenders/borrowers rather than 100% in the lender's favor.)

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In the face of these wage declines, why is the primary concern what people think of Obama? cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #1
The OP is about both policy and political reality. DanTex Apr 2014 #2
MUST PROTECT OBAMA Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #3
That explains much Fumesucker Apr 2014 #5
S'rly Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #8
it's ODS Skittles Apr 2014 #47
MUST PROTECT FACTS. ProSense Apr 2014 #6
What "wage declines"? ProSense Apr 2014 #4
You are intentionally using figures unadjusted for inflation??? cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #14
"Adjusted for inflation, they were up 1.2% MoM and 2.4% YoY." ProSense Apr 2014 #18
Why do you say that when ProSense provided a chart with both real and nominal figures? stevenleser Apr 2014 #21
Prosense is referring to a trend in the last month/year, which is small in comparison to what is DireStrike Apr 2014 #53
Nonsense. The trend has been upward for the last three years. The chart shows that. n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #56
Yes, if you squint really hard you can see a very minor increase in real wages DireStrike Apr 2014 #58
I think the problem that many have.... NCTraveler Apr 2014 #7
Disagree, and ProSense Apr 2014 #9
I get that you disagree. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #10
Well, ProSense Apr 2014 #11
"...I expected dismissal, and your comment flies in the face of the reality." NCTraveler Apr 2014 #13
I most ProSense Apr 2014 #17
Prosense, you have not come close to making the case that this is fundamental and structural change. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #22
Pure nonsense ProSense Apr 2014 #26
How is it fundamental and structural change to the economy? NCTraveler Apr 2014 #27
What the hell? ProSense Apr 2014 #28
Nonsense. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #30
You really ProSense Apr 2014 #33
You're Just Being Obstinate ProfessorGAC Apr 2014 #40
A couple of things. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #45
It's not ProSense Apr 2014 #49
Where Do I Stand? ProfessorGAC Apr 2014 #60
Well, I'm not sure what you mean by "fundamental and structural change". DanTex Apr 2014 #36
"it seems more like vague generalities rather than specific policy objections" NCTraveler Apr 2014 #38
I agree with a lot of what you say. DanTex Apr 2014 #50
The baseline needs to be the crash of 2008. CJCRANE Apr 2014 #12
Raising the minimum wage won't have any effect on the median income, will it? Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #15
Not really. Increasing the minimum wage improves the safety net, but doesn't help most of us. reformist2 Apr 2014 #19
see my post right below cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #24
Good point. But I don't think 50% of workers are making $10 or less. Maybe 25-30% of workers. reformist2 Apr 2014 #25
Yes, the pressure from the artificial floor should decrease somewhat as you go up, but cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #31
Surely it would shift the median line to the right? CJCRANE Apr 2014 #20
I don't believe so. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #32
I'm not a statistician but that doesn't make sense to me. CJCRANE Apr 2014 #34
The median is the income of the middle person. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #35
I think it's the middle value, not the middle person. CJCRANE Apr 2014 #37
The middle value is the value of the middle person. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #41
If you have 300 million people then the middle person is #150 million. CJCRANE Apr 2014 #43
And the median income is that person's income. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #46
OK, as per my edit above I think you are right on that point CJCRANE Apr 2014 #48
It will affect more than 50% of wages, surely. Arguably 100%. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #23
As cthulu pointed out, it would likely have indirect impact on wages beyond just DanTex Apr 2014 #57
Proud to be the first to rec this. Obama has fought HARD for the minimum wage Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #16
Even with median income going up, everything you listed should happen. randome Apr 2014 #29
And here I thought this was going to be a thread about issues Marrah_G Apr 2014 #39
Short Fuse? ProfessorGAC Apr 2014 #42
Not just this one Marrah_G Apr 2014 #44
they're getting worse, aren't they? Skittles Apr 2014 #51
Yes Marrah_G Apr 2014 #52
It's unfortunate that you are going to ignore me instead of engaging. DanTex Apr 2014 #55
she, as am I, is simply fed up with it Skittles Apr 2014 #59
k&r n/t RainDog Apr 2014 #54
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