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In reply to the discussion: Why the Supreme Court Should Kill ‘Obamacare’ [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)80. Interesting
DR. STEFFIE WOOLHANDLER: Well, I want to say, our organization, Physicians for a National Health Program, did not take a position on the Supreme Court deliberations. Some of the members opposed the mandate and did weigh in in the amicus brief. Some were more ambivalent and felt that there was some good in the bill. What we all agree on, however, is that the bill is not a solution. It will leave 27 million Americans uninsured when its fully implemented. Its going to leave tens of millions of Americans woefully underinsured, with gaps in their coverage like copayments and deductibles, so theyll still be bankrupted by illness. And its not going to control cost. So we still need single-payer national health insurance regardless of what happens at the Supreme Court.
AMY GOODMAN: Do you care if the Supreme Court were to reject it, say the individual mandate is not constitutional?
DR. STEFFIE WOOLHANDLER: Well, the individual mandate is a very, very bad idea. The good parts of the bill are things like a Medicaid expansion, which does not require an individual mandate, some regulations on the insurance industry, which does not require a mandate. All of those could have been done without the mandate. The problem with the mandate is its telling people that they have to turn over their money to the private health insurance industry. Theres also $447 billion in taxpayer money that is going to be turned over to the private health insurance industry. So the bill is strengthening the position of the private health insurance industry, the very industry thats responsible for $380 billion in wasted healthcare dollars on bureaucracy and paperwork.
AMY GOODMAN: Do you care if the Supreme Court were to reject it, say the individual mandate is not constitutional?
DR. STEFFIE WOOLHANDLER: Well, the individual mandate is a very, very bad idea. The good parts of the bill are things like a Medicaid expansion, which does not require an individual mandate, some regulations on the insurance industry, which does not require a mandate. All of those could have been done without the mandate. The problem with the mandate is its telling people that they have to turn over their money to the private health insurance industry. Theres also $447 billion in taxpayer money that is going to be turned over to the private health insurance industry. So the bill is strengthening the position of the private health insurance industry, the very industry thats responsible for $380 billion in wasted healthcare dollars on bureaucracy and paperwork.
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I agree, I think think there's going to be one hell of a backlash they just don't see coming,
mother earth
Mar 2012
#140
It's not a public option pool. It's a private for-profit insurance industry pool.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#11
It is already in place. It is being funded by people choosing the public option.
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#20
So "It is already in place" Please post the fee and benefit schedule for it.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#56
I see you edited your post. I did not, in fact, say it was single payer. You were talking about...
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#22
I didn't claim you said it was a single payer system. I quoted the doctors press release.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#55
"Please stop the right wing rhetoric" Why do you think the doctors organization is right-wing?
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#57
How does one build on something the insurance industry and big pharma have a legal lock on?
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#76
If the ACA is overturned Dems won't even think about National Healthcare for 50 more years.
JoePhilly
Mar 2012
#46
Bullshit, for no other reason than the cartel cannot survive 50 years with their current model
TheKentuckian
Mar 2012
#77
Of course it can't, but in the intrim people will die and suffer miserably. We agree.
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#115
Proping it up to try and get a couple generations out of it, has no costs?
TheKentuckian
Mar 2012
#136
How many Democratic Senators would you need in the Senate to get 60 votes for single payer?
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#23
Single Payer is supposedly very popular among the public (so we keep hearing)
Proud Liberal Dem
Mar 2012
#25
Why won't Democratic Senators even co-sponsor Senator Sanders single payer bill?
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#60
Probably because most know/knew it's not going anywhere right now (and not even 2009-2011)
Proud Liberal Dem
Mar 2012
#84
It was the extreme left that guaranteed that Roosevelt had to come up with something
eridani
Mar 2012
#99
Obama will make mincemeat of Mitt on health care no matter what the court decides
eridani
Mar 2012
#121
And how many Democrats are needed in the Senate to pass Medicare for All? 51? 60? 70? More?
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#27
It could take generations to achieve single payer if the insurance industry law is allowed to stand.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#101
That "reality" accepts without a fight the domination of health care by Wall Street.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#129
In the context of the Individual Mandate, it's not a "tax". The intent of a "tax" is to generate
cherokeeprogressive
Mar 2012
#33
You should have called the Supreme Court before they had their meeting today then.
cherokeeprogressive
Mar 2012
#126
Check out the "friend of the court" briefs (record number) in this case. Who's for and who's against
pampango
Mar 2012
#40
And what is the position of the health insurance industry and big Pharma? They wrote the law.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#63
Why and how is a system designed to prevent anything like single payer going to usher it in?
TheKentuckian
Mar 2012
#92
But the belief that single-payer will rise from the ashes of a repealed ACA is insane...
SidDithers
Mar 2012
#73
"forcing the public and the political system to finally consider the only real answer"
wyldwolf
Mar 2012
#87
never ceases to amaze me that some folks believe the Right will suddenly come to their senses
librechik
Mar 2012
#94
Meh. What do I care? My mom was natural born Canadian. Thus, I am Canadian too.
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2012
#96
The United States isn't like Canada. Canada has a multi-party system and democratic elections.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#128
If Congress wants to regulate the commerce of health, LET THEM DEMAND LOWER RATES FROM THE INSURERS.
WinkyDink
Mar 2012
#116
Realistically, if ACA is overturned, health care reform of any kind is dead for decades.
backscatter712
Mar 2012
#119
If the health insurance industry bill is upheld, progressive health care reform is dead for decades.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#127