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JoePhilly

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81. Democrats will be paralyzed, and do nothing.

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:28 AM

Mar 2012

As more and more fall into the ranks of the uninsured, the cost of that that gets passed on the government will increase, and the debt will rise. Medicare will be killed in response.

Meanwhile, the GOP, will turn its sites on medicare, and argue that the overturning of the ACA is the precedent for killing Medicare because people are "forced" to buy into it ... if you can create a tax to fund ACA, you can't have one to fund Medicare.

The stateless super rich will simply move on as the industry consolidates into fewer and fewer "providers".

Meanwhile, the democrats will be unwilling to mount sufficient support in the House or Senate to create national healthcare.

Rather than use the ACA as something to build on and extend, we'll go back to a point before HillaryCare was debated.

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No. elleng Mar 2012 #1

Did you read all three articles before posting? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #2

I agree, I think think there's going to be one hell of a backlash they just don't see coming, mother earth Mar 2012 #140

Yes DJ13 Mar 2012 #3

Here's ProSense Mar 2012 #4

The White House should have pursued the Medicare-For-Anyone approach. muntrv Mar 2012 #5

They did not have the votes - and that is per Bernie Sanders karynnj Mar 2012 #98

No. blue neen Mar 2012 #6

What's your opinion of the private insurance requirement of the law? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #8

If they throw out mandatory coverage, it will destroy the plan. Jackpine Radical Mar 2012 #10

It's not a public option pool. It's a private for-profit insurance industry pool. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #11

I'm not particularly defending Obama's plan. Jackpine Radical Mar 2012 #13

States can adopt a public option as Vermont has done and Oregon is doing. joshcryer Mar 2012 #15

Vermont health bill mislabeled 'single payer': doctors group Better Believe It Mar 2012 #16

It is already in place. It is being funded by people choosing the public option. joshcryer Mar 2012 #20

So "It is already in place" Please post the fee and benefit schedule for it. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #56

Ahh, it was passed into law, but is not fully set up yet. joshcryer Mar 2012 #110

I see you edited your post. I did not, in fact, say it was single payer. You were talking about... joshcryer Mar 2012 #22

I didn't claim you said it was a single payer system. I quoted the doctors press release. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #55

"Please stop the right wing rhetoric" Why do you think the doctors organization is right-wing? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #57

You might ProSense Mar 2012 #58

Muddling single payer and public option is right wing rhetoric. joshcryer Mar 2012 #109

actually, we may well end up with single payer here in Vermont cali Mar 2012 #78

Yes the public option turns into single payer relatively easy, imo. joshcryer Mar 2012 #111

No they cannot Sgent Mar 2012 #71

Tell that to Vermont. joshcryer Mar 2012 #112

I don't live in Vermont Sgent Mar 2012 #122

Was discussing this emilyg Mar 2012 #32

You don't ProSense Mar 2012 #9

+1...nt SidDithers Mar 2012 #44

Too bad for kids whose parents don't have insurance themselves, or eridani Mar 2012 #34

And what happens to the 20-something who turns 26 or 27? shcrane71 Mar 2012 #54

Unfortunately, many people can no longer buy.. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #88

Excuse me? I wasn't saving money. I was saving my son. blue neen Mar 2012 #134

All I can say is, don't let perfect be an arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #7

Exactly, arthr. elleng Mar 2012 #12

That's my sense too. Build on it and make arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #17

How does one build on something the insurance industry and big pharma have a legal lock on? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #76

Deductibles, co-pays and benefit limits arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #90

+1000 baldguy Mar 2012 #41

Exactly Tomay Mar 2012 #120

Uh, no, if it gets struck down then health care will be rail roaded. joshcryer Mar 2012 #14

+1000. n/t pnwmom Mar 2012 #19

Fix what? The underlying system is fully the existing system. TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #37

If the ACA is overturned Dems won't even think about National Healthcare for 50 more years. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #46

+1...nt SidDithers Mar 2012 #59

Bullshit, for no other reason than the cartel cannot survive 50 years with their current model TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #77

Democrats will be paralyzed, and do nothing. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #81

Of course it can't, but in the intrim people will die and suffer miserably. We agree. joshcryer Mar 2012 #115

Proping it up to try and get a couple generations out of it, has no costs? TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #136

Then it is our duty to make it suicide not to work for universial care. TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #138

You're kind of obsessing over what it says today jeff47 Mar 2012 #51

What it says now is exactly what it is, Jeff. TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #86

It's hidden in your 3rd sentence. jeff47 Mar 2012 #93

No it isn't. HHS's rules have completely changed the health care landscape. joshcryer Mar 2012 #114

Comedy GOLD! TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #139

Absolutely agree with your assessment. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #39

I strongly disagree. The last thing Rethugs would go for, while they're trying pnwmom Mar 2012 #18

How many Democratic Senators would you need in the Senate to get 60 votes for single payer? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #23

Single Payer is supposedly very popular among the public (so we keep hearing) Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2012 #25

Why won't Democratic Senators even co-sponsor Senator Sanders single payer bill? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #60

Probably because most know/knew it's not going anywhere right now (and not even 2009-2011) Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2012 #84

When Social security was made DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #21

SocSec did NOT mandate purchase of retirement plans from Wall Street n/t eridani Mar 2012 #35

But SocSec did mandate withdrawals from your paycheck. n/t DippyDem Mar 2012 #53

To cover a government, not private, retirement program. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #61

And that changes DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #97

It was the extreme left that guaranteed that Roosevelt had to come up with something eridani Mar 2012 #99

and you think DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #113

Obama will make mincemeat of Mitt on health care no matter what the court decides eridani Mar 2012 #121

call it horseshit DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #124

I'm not talking about any specific policy eridani Mar 2012 #131

In a perfect world Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2012 #24

And in this magic world nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #26

And how many Democrats are needed in the Senate to pass Medicare for All? 51? 60? 70? More? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #27

If the congress and senate of 2008 did not teach you this nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #31

Do you think 80 Senate Democrats would be enough to get it passed? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #62

And we don't have that right now nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #69

And when do you think 80 Democrats will be in the Senate? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #79

Once again, in the current environment it ain't happening nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #82

It could take generations to achieve single payer if the insurance industry law is allowed to stand. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #101

I prefer to live in reality nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #102

That "reality" accepts without a fight the domination of health care by Wall Street. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #129

In your imagination nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #133

You got it, dear Nadin! elleng Mar 2012 #28

+1 Johonny Mar 2012 #29

Good. At least by what I assume your definition of regulate is. TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #100

Well, ProSense Mar 2012 #30

That they actually believe that Codeine Mar 2012 #67

In the context of the Individual Mandate, it's not a "tax". The intent of a "tax" is to generate cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #33

The mandate is easily covered by the commerce clause. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2012 #52

You should have called the Supreme Court before they had their meeting today then. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #126

Actually, I found today's coverage to be far too "chicken little" jeff47 Mar 2012 #130

No. Fucking. Way. jmowreader Mar 2012 #36

BINGO DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #38

Slightly OT, but what credit card company is in VA? n/t FSogol Mar 2012 #50

Capital One and several others DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #89

Check out the "friend of the court" briefs (record number) in this case. Who's for and who's against pampango Mar 2012 #40

And what is the position of the health insurance industry and big Pharma? They wrote the law. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #63

Wow, what strange bedfellows they have. joshcryer Mar 2012 #135

If the court says the Federal Government can't mandate rucky Mar 2012 #42

That would be the biggest argument laundry_queen Mar 2012 #85

Keep trying...nt SidDithers Mar 2012 #43

Unrec. More RW BS. n/t FSogol Mar 2012 #45

I agree but unfortunately, both political parties are married mmonk Mar 2012 #47

Then just pass Medicare for all, there is no need to throw out Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #48

Kill ObamaCare now, and we, the right-wing Republicans ... JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2012 #49

Advocated by people that HAVE health care who want the system thrown into Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #64

Why and how is a system designed to prevent anything like single payer going to usher it in? TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #92

It is this law or nothing. Jennicut Mar 2012 #65

Nurses: Health Care Crisis Will Continue No Matter How Court Rules Better Believe It Mar 2012 #66

As a nurse, totally agree. Single payer is the only solution. n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #72

But the belief that single-payer will rise from the ashes of a repealed ACA is insane... SidDithers Mar 2012 #73

and if congress could not get the ACA done right DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #95

No. Lisa D Mar 2012 #68

Funny stuff SOS Mar 2012 #70

Steffie Woolhandler was on Amy's show this morning. EFerrari Mar 2012 #74

Interesting ProSense Mar 2012 #80

The mandate is unConstitutional. Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #75

EXACTLY. WinkyDink Mar 2012 #117

Ah yes, the old "all or nothing" JNelson6563 Mar 2012 #83

"forcing the public and the political system to finally consider the only real answer" wyldwolf Mar 2012 #87

bullshit. spanone Mar 2012 #91

ditto that bullshit call mikekohr Mar 2012 #123

never ceases to amaze me that some folks believe the Right will suddenly come to their senses librechik Mar 2012 #94

Meh. What do I care? My mom was natural born Canadian. Thus, I am Canadian too. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #96

I agree. CBGLuthier Mar 2012 #103

Medicare for everyone is the only solution!! B Calm Mar 2012 #104

We continue to feed the obscenely rich woo me with science Mar 2012 #105

Obamacare NOW--until Medicare for all spreads from state to state ErikJ Mar 2012 #106

The United States isn't like Canada. Canada has a multi-party system and democratic elections. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #128

What I fear is that ACA will be replaced with the status quo Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #107

Yes. It will be just like it was pre-2010. BlueDemKev Mar 2012 #118

PNHP is a right wing tool. bornskeptic Mar 2012 #108

I'm getting sick and tired of only gutless people defining "feasible" eridani Mar 2012 #132

If Congress wants to regulate the commerce of health, LET THEM DEMAND LOWER RATES FROM THE INSURERS. WinkyDink Mar 2012 #116

Realistically, if ACA is overturned, health care reform of any kind is dead for decades. backscatter712 Mar 2012 #119

If the health insurance industry bill is upheld, progressive health care reform is dead for decades. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #127

Horseshit. Bobbie Jo Mar 2012 #137

No... cynatnite Mar 2012 #125