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ProSense

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10. Well said. Yes,
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 12:46 PM
Apr 2014
....The problem is that this corporate "personhood," which is necessary in some ways to conduct business, got all spun out of shape, resulting in the notion that a corporation has all of the same constitutional rights as an actual human. Obviously the humans who own and operate the corporation have constitutional rights, but how can you transfer those rights to the inchoate and abstract corporation, without disregarding the corporation's separate entity which is what allows the individual owners to insulate themselves from the corporation's debts and liabilities? I've never understood that.

You say corporations formed to disseminate speech have the right to free speech. I would argue that the individuals who formed the corporation have the right to free speech, but the corporation is merely the abstract entity organized to do so more efficiently, with no separate constitutional rights of its own. And what about those corporations that were just formed to do business of some kind, like the corporations owned by the Koch brothers? If those corporations weren't "formed to disseminate speech" in the first place, why would they have the right to free speech, independent from their human owners' rights?

...corporations can be sued. In the case of the "owner's rights," if the owner want the corporation to have the right to free speech, then when a corporation is found criminally liable, the owner should receive a penalty. If owners want to equate their personal views with that of the corporation, then when the corporation is found criminally negligent, convict the owners.



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Well, ProSense Apr 2014 #1
Dumb slander from Prosense: "spin in an attempt to defend both decisions" cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #3
Now, you're proving that you don't know the definition of "slander." n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #4
Ummm. while I might be inclined to agree with your STRICTLY Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #36
While your reply would be apropos in a courtroom, we aren't in one cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #40
It was Roberts who fast tracked Citizens United and it was likley the most egregious case imo, of Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #2
I believe the conservatives are motivated by partisan hackery cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #5
Clearly, and he knew who would side with him. We need to push it back. Senator Sanders: Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #7
The Supremes sort of did say corporations are people, in the sense that The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2014 #6
Well said. Yes, ProSense Apr 2014 #10
If only natural persons had constitutional protections, all sorts of horrible things could happen. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #11
In the case of a hypothetical PP raid The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2014 #25
Do you see another way to keep money out of the political arena? cheyanne Apr 2014 #12
The 1976 Court did Metatron Apr 2014 #8
Money IS speech. Sorry folks. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #9
That doesn't ProSense Apr 2014 #13
Would you be OK with banning corporations from publishing books that criticized election candidates Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #14
Again ProSense Apr 2014 #15
Well, would you? (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #16
Ask me if I would ban "handmade signs." ProSense Apr 2014 #17
So where do you draw the line? Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #19
Well, ProSense Apr 2014 #20
I understand that these are difficult questions to answer for those who want to limit free speech. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #23
Well, ProSense Apr 2014 #27
You will find that arguing with a nihilist approach to argument is fruitless cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #18
Did you look up the meaning of "slander"? n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #21
Yes. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #26
"It said that slander is whatever Prosense says it is, at any given point in time." ProSense Apr 2014 #28
How is your name-calling somehow "fruitful"? BumRushDaShow Apr 2014 #22
In this context it is hardly name-calling. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #24
Sorry but your argument for making ad-hominems is weak BumRushDaShow Apr 2014 #29
Have a nice day. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #32
"In the context of any online argument, Prosense is a nihilist." ProSense Apr 2014 #30
There SHOULD be no context SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #31
Then alert on it. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #33
No I think my point was made SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #34
I think your assessment of Pro is spot on. Laelth Apr 2014 #38
Well, ProSense Apr 2014 #39
Fair enough. Laelth Apr 2014 #41
No, ProSense Apr 2014 #42
I will let you have the last word on this. Laelth Apr 2014 #43
"Now, please, buzz off." ProSense Apr 2014 #44
Don't give them any ideas. eom Frustratedlady Apr 2014 #35
What is critical is that they did not say "Money is NOT speech and has no 1st amendment protection". stevenleser Apr 2014 #37
"It is vital to regulate....to prevent my speech...from being drowned out." BumRushDaShow Apr 2014 #45
Elections should be publicly financed, candidatees should have to campaign within tblue37 Apr 2014 #46
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