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qazplm

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19. vengeance is natural

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 03:06 PM

Apr 2014

not sure it's disturbing or dark at all to have those feelings, or even violent feelings in certain situations. it's natural and human.

I don't want to be a computer, but I bet even a computer could come up with perfectly logical reasons why sometimes violence of vengeance makes sense.

I'm not saying "yay vengeance, or violence is awesome" but I am saying that these are feelings that are legit sometimes and it's not necessarily disturbing for a decent human being to have them.

I'm against the DP also, but I can imagine situations (like Hitler) where I'd make an exception, and of course, if someone comes after and tries to kill someone I love (or kills them) and I have them in front of me, can't guarantee I'd just calmly call the police and wait for the justice system to take over. I think that's human. I doubt I'd actually kill them, but I wouldn't feel guilty for thinking real hard about it.

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The death penalty needs to be abolished ASAP [View all] darkangel218 Apr 2014 OP

I fully agree. This, over ALL other indicators, characterizes a nation and a culture. NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #1

I cant stop crying. I get emotional every time the subject is brought up darkangel218 Apr 2014 #2

Do you exert more emotion for the victims of the crime? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2014 #6

Our system is supposed to correct and rehabilitate. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #7

I actually didn't say anything of the kind ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2014 #10

So do I. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #17

I don't see the inconsistency either.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2014 #60

You asked two questions... Raine1967 Apr 2014 #53

I would hope that any person.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2014 #59

I think the difference is that you have a hand in one and not the other. whopis01 Apr 2014 #72

I have a Bachelor's in Criminal Justice. blueamy66 Apr 2014 #35

Rehabilitation is one of many schools of thought... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #39

I think punishment is what you've omitted. Prisoners aren't just in rehab. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #64

Life w/o parole isn't exactly rehabilitation. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #65

Really? I find that, frankly, bizarre. Either you're weepy over a practice, or you're weepy over the WinkyDink Apr 2014 #67

I'm no fan of the death penalty either, but tolkien90 Apr 2014 #91

Its not hysteria. Its an issue that really bothers me. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #92

I have to admit pipi_k Apr 2014 #3

I'm sure that dissonance is not uncommon; I feel it as well petronius Apr 2014 #12

vengeance is natural qazplm Apr 2014 #19

Actually, yes... pipi_k Apr 2014 #21

me too bluemarkers Apr 2014 #22

So once again, ask the jury if they are super duper sure? Or really really really sure? That.... Logical Apr 2014 #29

You're right...juries pipi_k Apr 2014 #41

Once again......how do you do those steps? n-t Logical Apr 2014 #47

Once again... pipi_k Apr 2014 #48

Even hair/dna/fingerprints are not acceptable in my opinion. Too subject to tampering or false MillennialDem Apr 2014 #83

I don't know a whole lot pipi_k Apr 2014 #89

Cops give the "perp" a soda or coffee and he uses it. Now they have his DNA MillennialDem Apr 2014 #90

Well, yeah... pipi_k Apr 2014 #93

Well it is a way to collect DNA/fingerprints but also a way to plant evidence MillennialDem Apr 2014 #94

i agree. m-lekktor Apr 2014 #4

We dont have the right to take another persons life. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #8

Morally? No. IronGate Apr 2014 #9

The question is, do you agree with it?? darkangel218 Apr 2014 #11

No, I don't. IronGate Apr 2014 #13

Yah ok. Welcome to DU. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #14

Not sure if you misunderstood my answer. IronGate Apr 2014 #15

I understood perfectly what you said. nt darkangel218 Apr 2014 #16

two things here qazplm Apr 2014 #18

+1 on the confessions point. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #37

I agree 100% MineralMan Apr 2014 #5

right on Chaco Dundee Apr 2014 #20

Amazingly some pro-DP people Jake Stern Apr 2014 #23

I'm probably going to get the "DU Biggest Piece of Sh*t" moniker for this Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #24

You are confusing personal reaction to state sanctioned murder. n-t Logical Apr 2014 #28

hmmm.... that is definitely something to think about Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #30

I also would want anyone who killed my family dead. Normal reaction. nt Logical Apr 2014 #32

I disagree JJChambers Apr 2014 #25

Reformed such in how? darkangel218 Apr 2014 #26

From the ground up JJChambers Apr 2014 #34

LOL, can't wait to hear this. nt Logical Apr 2014 #27

So you think that those who were involved in the execution of Tommy Lynn Sells Jgarrick Apr 2014 #31

We are supposed to correct and reahabilitate. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #36

Says whom? In any case, your reply was non-responsive. Jgarrick Apr 2014 #38

Goodbye. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #43

Translation: answering your question in an honest and direct manner would have weakened my argument Jgarrick Apr 2014 #45

How do you rehabilitate someone like this? delta17 Apr 2014 #40

How about you never release them?? darkangel218 Apr 2014 #42

How about we execute the monsters among us? Jgarrick Apr 2014 #44

Ok. delta17 Apr 2014 #46

What's with this "correct" bit? WinkyDink Apr 2014 #66

Sells deserved to die. 840high Apr 2014 #50

no but that's not really the proper comparison qazplm Apr 2014 #77

Yes, we are a backass country on that topic. Embarrassing. nt Logical Apr 2014 #33

Feds only. No states Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #49

Even a DP supporter like me knows its on its way out. aikoaiko Apr 2014 #51

For awhile that was on the radar screen yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #52

I have no moral compunctions whatsoever against the death penalty. sir pball Apr 2014 #54

Will only happen after a majority of the States decide they will not impose death penalty. elleng Apr 2014 #55

Why? JJChambers Apr 2014 #56

The DP is the easy way out. SevenSixtyTwo Apr 2014 #57

Interesting argument. "Let's use a WORSE punishment." WinkyDink Apr 2014 #85

I disagree strongly. linuxman Apr 2014 #58

The problem with your argument is MoonRiver Apr 2014 #62

The problem with your argument is linuxman Apr 2014 #68

As long as one is alive there is hope. Kill the convicted and there's no going back MoonRiver Apr 2014 #75

absolutely yes qazplm Apr 2014 #79

And that's the final word, really. Codeine Apr 2014 #69

So you want to be more like these countries? Logical Apr 2014 #87

So much dissembling in this thread. They love the death penalty, just say it. NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #61

I firmly believe that there are a lot of horrid people who deserve to die via execution. Codeine Apr 2014 #63

k/r marmar Apr 2014 #70

But revenge is a fun human emotion to carry out in a legal fashion, isn't it? flvegan Apr 2014 #71

I am usually against Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #73

Actually yes we do CFLDem Apr 2014 #74

Except that those who have read the 8th identify state-issued murder as cruel and unusual. Orrex Apr 2014 #82

I like to think of killers sitting alone in solitary forever. bravenak Apr 2014 #76

So, it is the idea of life w/o parole's being WORSE that is the moral high ground? WinkyDink Apr 2014 #84

I'm not worried about having the moral high ground. bravenak Apr 2014 #86

Why is it that society sees death defacto7 Apr 2014 #78

I oppose the death penalty for several reasons. JoeyT Apr 2014 #80

Of course. But it won't be abolished. Too many people approve of state murder. ladjf Apr 2014 #81

State Sanctioned Killing Is Wrong colsohlibgal Apr 2014 #88