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qazplm

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77. no but that's not really the proper comparison

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 01:42 AM

Apr 2014

the goal is not merely to be above the moral level of someone like Sells.

You complain he avoids the question, but my complaint would be that the question is irrelevant and a bit of a straw man.

Should the state ever be allowed to kill one of its citizens as opposed to life without parole? What justifies it or requires it? What does it serve? How many, if any, innocents killed are ok? If the answer is zero, then we need new rules, because it's real hard to get to zero with the current system.

I see nothing useful served by the DP. It's proven not to be a deterrence, it costs more to do, takes decades to carry out in many cases, and I don't think it really even gives a ton of closure to the victims.

Put those folks in a dark hole, throw away the key, and let them pass the remaining years pondering on what they've done.

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The death penalty needs to be abolished ASAP [View all] darkangel218 Apr 2014 OP

I fully agree. This, over ALL other indicators, characterizes a nation and a culture. NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #1

I cant stop crying. I get emotional every time the subject is brought up darkangel218 Apr 2014 #2

Do you exert more emotion for the victims of the crime? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2014 #6

Our system is supposed to correct and rehabilitate. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #7

I actually didn't say anything of the kind ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2014 #10

So do I. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #17

I don't see the inconsistency either.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2014 #60

You asked two questions... Raine1967 Apr 2014 #53

I would hope that any person.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2014 #59

I think the difference is that you have a hand in one and not the other. whopis01 Apr 2014 #72

I have a Bachelor's in Criminal Justice. blueamy66 Apr 2014 #35

Rehabilitation is one of many schools of thought... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #39

I think punishment is what you've omitted. Prisoners aren't just in rehab. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #64

Life w/o parole isn't exactly rehabilitation. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #65

Really? I find that, frankly, bizarre. Either you're weepy over a practice, or you're weepy over the WinkyDink Apr 2014 #67

I'm no fan of the death penalty either, but tolkien90 Apr 2014 #91

Its not hysteria. Its an issue that really bothers me. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #92

I have to admit pipi_k Apr 2014 #3

I'm sure that dissonance is not uncommon; I feel it as well petronius Apr 2014 #12

vengeance is natural qazplm Apr 2014 #19

Actually, yes... pipi_k Apr 2014 #21

me too bluemarkers Apr 2014 #22

So once again, ask the jury if they are super duper sure? Or really really really sure? That.... Logical Apr 2014 #29

You're right...juries pipi_k Apr 2014 #41

Once again......how do you do those steps? n-t Logical Apr 2014 #47

Once again... pipi_k Apr 2014 #48

Even hair/dna/fingerprints are not acceptable in my opinion. Too subject to tampering or false MillennialDem Apr 2014 #83

I don't know a whole lot pipi_k Apr 2014 #89

Cops give the "perp" a soda or coffee and he uses it. Now they have his DNA MillennialDem Apr 2014 #90

Well, yeah... pipi_k Apr 2014 #93

Well it is a way to collect DNA/fingerprints but also a way to plant evidence MillennialDem Apr 2014 #94

i agree. m-lekktor Apr 2014 #4

We dont have the right to take another persons life. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #8

Morally? No. IronGate Apr 2014 #9

The question is, do you agree with it?? darkangel218 Apr 2014 #11

No, I don't. IronGate Apr 2014 #13

Yah ok. Welcome to DU. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #14

Not sure if you misunderstood my answer. IronGate Apr 2014 #15

I understood perfectly what you said. nt darkangel218 Apr 2014 #16

two things here qazplm Apr 2014 #18

+1 on the confessions point. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #37

I agree 100% MineralMan Apr 2014 #5

right on Chaco Dundee Apr 2014 #20

Amazingly some pro-DP people Jake Stern Apr 2014 #23

I'm probably going to get the "DU Biggest Piece of Sh*t" moniker for this Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #24

You are confusing personal reaction to state sanctioned murder. n-t Logical Apr 2014 #28

hmmm.... that is definitely something to think about Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #30

I also would want anyone who killed my family dead. Normal reaction. nt Logical Apr 2014 #32

I disagree JJChambers Apr 2014 #25

Reformed such in how? darkangel218 Apr 2014 #26

From the ground up JJChambers Apr 2014 #34

LOL, can't wait to hear this. nt Logical Apr 2014 #27

So you think that those who were involved in the execution of Tommy Lynn Sells Jgarrick Apr 2014 #31

We are supposed to correct and reahabilitate. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #36

Says whom? In any case, your reply was non-responsive. Jgarrick Apr 2014 #38

Goodbye. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #43

Translation: answering your question in an honest and direct manner would have weakened my argument Jgarrick Apr 2014 #45

How do you rehabilitate someone like this? delta17 Apr 2014 #40

How about you never release them?? darkangel218 Apr 2014 #42

How about we execute the monsters among us? Jgarrick Apr 2014 #44

Ok. delta17 Apr 2014 #46

What's with this "correct" bit? WinkyDink Apr 2014 #66

Sells deserved to die. 840high Apr 2014 #50

no but that's not really the proper comparison qazplm Apr 2014 #77

Yes, we are a backass country on that topic. Embarrassing. nt Logical Apr 2014 #33

Feds only. No states Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #49

Even a DP supporter like me knows its on its way out. aikoaiko Apr 2014 #51

For awhile that was on the radar screen yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #52

I have no moral compunctions whatsoever against the death penalty. sir pball Apr 2014 #54

Will only happen after a majority of the States decide they will not impose death penalty. elleng Apr 2014 #55

Why? JJChambers Apr 2014 #56

The DP is the easy way out. SevenSixtyTwo Apr 2014 #57

Interesting argument. "Let's use a WORSE punishment." WinkyDink Apr 2014 #85

I disagree strongly. linuxman Apr 2014 #58

The problem with your argument is MoonRiver Apr 2014 #62

The problem with your argument is linuxman Apr 2014 #68

As long as one is alive there is hope. Kill the convicted and there's no going back MoonRiver Apr 2014 #75

absolutely yes qazplm Apr 2014 #79

And that's the final word, really. Codeine Apr 2014 #69

So you want to be more like these countries? Logical Apr 2014 #87

So much dissembling in this thread. They love the death penalty, just say it. NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #61

I firmly believe that there are a lot of horrid people who deserve to die via execution. Codeine Apr 2014 #63

k/r marmar Apr 2014 #70

But revenge is a fun human emotion to carry out in a legal fashion, isn't it? flvegan Apr 2014 #71

I am usually against Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #73

Actually yes we do CFLDem Apr 2014 #74

Except that those who have read the 8th identify state-issued murder as cruel and unusual. Orrex Apr 2014 #82

I like to think of killers sitting alone in solitary forever. bravenak Apr 2014 #76

So, it is the idea of life w/o parole's being WORSE that is the moral high ground? WinkyDink Apr 2014 #84

I'm not worried about having the moral high ground. bravenak Apr 2014 #86

Why is it that society sees death defacto7 Apr 2014 #78

I oppose the death penalty for several reasons. JoeyT Apr 2014 #80

Of course. But it won't be abolished. Too many people approve of state murder. ladjf Apr 2014 #81

State Sanctioned Killing Is Wrong colsohlibgal Apr 2014 #88