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snot

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63. Everyone should be able to move to wherever they f*cking they want,

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 02:51 AM

Apr 2014

and they/we should be able to compete freely for employment wherever they/we are.

If they/we move somewhere else other than where they/we were born, again, they/we should be able to complete freely for employment wherever they/we are; but there should be some kind of waiting period before they/we are eligible for other benefits in the new location.

We're not f*cking serfs, tied to the land owned by our governmental or corporate masters; or at least, we shouldn't be. (Right now, as far as I can see, nationalism and national boundaries primarily benefit the 1%.)

We need a f*cking free market of governments. If one government sucks because it's corrupt or tyrannical, people who have the guts to pick up and make a life elsewhere should be free to do that.

I am NOT afraid of those people; those people are brave and productive and will help whatever economy they're allowed to participate in (I believe in trickle UP).

It's the f*cking leeches I'm afraid of – banksters et al. THOSE people have sucked TRILLIONS out of the world economy since 2008. (And guess who's paying?)

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The number of (nearly all professional) jobs given to immigrants via H1b visas in 2012 was 821,000 [View all] Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 OP

H1B is corporate welfare JazzFanInTX Apr 2014 #1

Yup. I first found out about H1b visas when I lived in Boca Raton and found out by accident Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #4

Re: Yup. I first found out about H1b visas when I lived in Boca Raton and found out by accident JazzFanInTX Apr 2014 #7

While we are missing jobs here, 0 H1b visas should be issued nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #9

I see where you're coming from, but disagree. JazzFanInTX Apr 2014 #24

I'm sorry I didn't understand. Paraphrase? nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #26

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #85

I think most liberals see through the phony shortages. nt Live and Learn Apr 2014 #30

As a former employer trying to use the H-1b visa program daybranch Apr 2014 #45

Thank you for explaining that. I agree that the corporations are the ones abusing this Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #89

Well said. pa28 Apr 2014 #46

True!-nt Anansi1171 Apr 2014 #65

Not really. It's an argument of RICH vs. POOR. The ones applying for EXPENSIVE H1b visas are rich Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #73

You replied to the wrong post maybe? pa28 Apr 2014 #75

+1!!! snot Apr 2014 #62

Very well explained. An alternate economy not free to all. n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #66

Agree. But I find it vexing that if you extend that concern to blue collar professions, it's racism. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #2

That's largely because much of the sentiment against it is a mix of nationalism and racism. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #3

800,000 H1B's are not a drop in the bucket of technology and engineering jobs lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #12

First off, they're called undocumented immigrants. Secondly, they're here to stay... Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #35

Illegal immigrants are the elephant in the room. Lasher Apr 2014 #101

Funny, innit? shanemcg Apr 2014 #68

This affects everyone in the industry. Being able to hire people pnwmom Apr 2014 #13

When I hear foaming at the mouth diatribes about the TN, E3 or L2 visa I will believe that. Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2014 #39

Who here is foaming at the mouth? n/t pnwmom Apr 2014 #43

Or for that matter the H-2A Recursion Apr 2014 #110

I don't know what the appropriate number is, but I think you are right about the underlying issue. Hoyt Apr 2014 #47

We have many in here throwing around right-wing nativist talking points... Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #49

I'm a bit shocked by some of the comments. Hoyt Apr 2014 #51

Could you change your avatar, please? brentspeak Apr 2014 #84

Woody wouldn't be posting bigoted crud against immigrants. Hoyt Apr 2014 #87

What "bigoted crud" against immigrants? brentspeak Apr 2014 #88

There's nothing "bigoted" about objecting to corporate bullshit. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #121

No, Woody would call out the obvious bigotry against immigrants . Hoyt Apr 2014 #123

If you want to think that, hunky-dory. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #126

821,000 did not come in one year. You don't even understand how it works. Hoyt Apr 2014 #127

Let us know when you actually locate anyone here brentspeak Apr 2014 #83

once again, the popinjay speaks about which he knows nothing... dionysus Apr 2014 #129

And if you extend it to crop pickers, right wingers will be frothing at the mouth, angry that Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #6

As blue collar pay goes up, they'd be surprised at how industrious their fellow citizens are. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #16

+1 nt Live and Learn Apr 2014 #33

Yeah, that's true. Yo_Mama Apr 2014 #74

821K jobs out of 143 million is about 1/2 of 1% of the total employed. A drop in the bucket. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #5

I'm looking through your posts and a profile of your ideology is coming through loud and clear. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #8

Cool. Do you have a response for the fact that 821K jobs is half a percent of the employed? Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #10

Actually, I have a really good idea of what you're doing on DU nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #11

a lot of us do Skittles Apr 2014 #18

He's one of the ones from the dark side, huh? lol There are a few others nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #20

You Should See ProgressiveJarhead Apr 2014 #40

You're kidding me. That place is infested with right wingnuts too? nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #54

my guess Skittles Apr 2014 #50

I think you're right. Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #53

The pertinent statistic is what fraction it is of COMPARABLE jobs, pnwmom Apr 2014 #17

H1B visas are not just for high tech jobs. It is for jobs which require a BS or higher. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #29

No, it is much more specialized than that. It requires a minimum of a BS pnwmom Apr 2014 #34

I have a response Samantha Apr 2014 #28

AND those being hired from overseas should be paid the same wages the jobs are worth here. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #59

It is not such a small percentage of those who want to be employed in technology. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #52

And what % is it of the UNEMPLOYED? And are those jobs advertised here first? And are these sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #55

I can't imagine that either sabrina shanemcg Apr 2014 #100

And what percent is it of professional jobs? starroute Apr 2014 #14

It is not a drop in the bucket of highly skilled tech jobs. nt pnwmom Apr 2014 #15

H1B visas are for fields which require a degree not just high skill tech jobs. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #27

these jobs are going to foreigners who are replacing American workers. It's not as if they KittyWampus Apr 2014 #19

I personally know no one whose talent is laying brick. I do personally know programmers though Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #22

I have quite a few nail bangers & landscapers as friends who have seen huge amounts of competition KittyWampus Apr 2014 #69

i'm in IT myself, but quality masonry isn't cheap either... nt dionysus Apr 2014 #130

Let me put it this way. The undocumented immigrants are basically here to stay... Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #31

The National Society of Professional Enginerrs states that ... aggiesal Apr 2014 #38

Except that 821,000 isn't just out of 2 million. It's out of much more. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #44

That needs to stop. At Duke, nearly all the students studying engineering are Chinese from China nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #57

The irony is that 564,000 of them were educated for those jobs in the US. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #21

Duke University (to give one example of many) is filled with Chinese who arrived directly from Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #23

Yes, hold on... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #25

Here's another thing, those foreign nationals studying here and then asking for H1bs... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #32

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #60

Jobs should go to citizens of the USA before immigrants. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #36

Particularly good jobs. I'm not so sure about picking cotton, picking fruit, etc. Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #37

No, I don't agree we can or should parse jobs like that. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #42

What? I think there are. I think as an advanced nation, we should have gone beyond that nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #56

Wow. Disagree. Plenty of hard workers in this country, unfraid to sweat and get dirty. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #58

Why are you changing the topic? Just curious. The topic is loss of professional jobs via H1bs. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #72

Was responding to your "picking cotton, picking fruit" statement. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #79

I was returning it back to the OP - which deals with high paying, professional jobs being taken from Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #82

Not everyone can be an engineer, Sarah woolldog Apr 2014 #107

No, but American citizens who are engineers are currently out of work. We're being ripped off Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #108

The problem with that is if JoeyT Apr 2014 #64

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #61

Companies are getting tax breaks, and its still cheaper than hiring American workers HipChick Apr 2014 #41

Yes, and businesses and universities are complicit in giving away good jobs to H1b immigrants: Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #103

Hillary's a big proponent of H-1B's. I wonder if she'll tone down this rhetoric if she runs. octoberlib Apr 2014 #48

Corporate welfare is cool when Dems do it - right? polichick Apr 2014 #96

Everyone should be able to move to wherever they f*cking they want, snot Apr 2014 #63

Incorrect. This country belongs to Americans, and if corporations can't offer jobs to them, they Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #71

Wow. You sure it's just corporations you despise? Hoyt Apr 2014 #102

No. I also despise Republicans, Nazis, fascists, anyone anti-union, pedophiles, and people who Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #111

Hear, hear!!! U4ikLefty Apr 2014 #109

Thanks! Well, that's a reverse argument they're trying out on me to see if it works :) Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #112

I think you misunderstood my post. snot Apr 2014 #113

+1 sagat Apr 2014 #131

H1B Population FormerOstrich Apr 2014 #67

You and I agree that the system is corrupt, and part of its corruption is giving jobs to immigrants Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #70

Just give out green cards and end H-1Bs completely. gulliver Apr 2014 #76

You make a really good point! Make them all jump through the same hoops required by the green card Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #80

Honestly? Spider Jerusalem Apr 2014 #125

How are the parties different on this? polichick Apr 2014 #77

This is the usual corporate control. The kind the right wing SC just gave more power to nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #81

Meaning both parties are big on corporate welfare? polichick Apr 2014 #86

I don't discuss Naderite politics. Sorry. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #90

lol - you don't answer pertinent questions either... polichick Apr 2014 #91

I think I've already explained this to you. I don't discuss Naderite politics. It's repulsive. Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #92

Who mentioned Nader? I didn't vote for him, or mention him. polichick Apr 2014 #95

She won't answer, but I will nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #97

It's so weird. Upstream that poster wonders what can be done... polichick Apr 2014 #98

You are in academia nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #99

Here is a link you might want to read nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #78

Thanks for posting those links. Hoyt Apr 2014 #93

You welcome, it is just fascinating policy level nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #94

Do corporations still encourage young Americans to study math & science anymore? reformist2 Apr 2014 #104

From what I understand from someone in IT... AngryOldDem Apr 2014 #105

From what I've seen at Duke University, it's a whole industry... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #106

You know, Sarah, the Bill Gates led attack on public education is related.. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #114

It really angers the hell out of me that he's involved in dismantling public schools and defending Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #115

Did you see what Robert Reich posted today on Facebook? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #116

Maybe it's our fault. For a while we thought high tech corps were not corporations Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #117

K&R.. butterfly77 Apr 2014 #118

Thank you! nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #119

I agree with everything you said.. butterfly77 Apr 2014 #120

I believe it! Right wingers use the "politically correct" theme to defend corporations stealing Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #122

Exactly. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #124

Correct.. butterfly77 Apr 2014 #128