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Igel

(37,516 posts)
12. Got my degree in literature.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:39 PM
Apr 2014

Not English. When I got my degree the field was changing. You could have a wide variety of approaches when I started my MA. But already at some schools there were approved approaches to critical analysis and all others need not apply. You'd get through the basics of close reading and inferencing, of how to assemble an argument and critical thinking. Then a lot of doors were closed, paneled over, and wallpapered over--long forgotten and inaccessible. The licit approaches are really fairly self-centered. And all too often the analysis exists as a kind of Platonic ideal just waiting for some content to be centered on--the conclusions are the same, you just have to find the evidence to show that you're right. (Sort of the opposite of trying to falsify your hypothesis.)

Most of the approved approaches are useless for the business world. Your boss doesn't want you to undermine internal literature or have fancy, esoteric campaigns that target 1% of the community. You have an audience. Talk to it on their terms. (This is, to a large extent, what rendered "belles lettres" elitist, and made "fine arts music" alien to a wider audience. "I write for myself ... if others eavesdrop, I can't be bothered.&quot


Once you get past the basics--up through critical thinking--there has to be a variety of options. Some might be creative writing, where if you write and have no audience you made the choice to have no income and be self-unemployed. But it should also focus on for-profit writing, where the writer is also a businessman and needs to bring in money for room and board. Another would be technical and informational writing. How to produce a good, crisp, clean narrative. How to present information in a way friendly to a specific audience or to a range of audiences. And how to sculpt your prose (etc.) for specific media--Twitter campaigns, Web pages, voice media, tv, etc.

High-school English is making baby-steps in this now. "Okay, you read The Great Gatsby. Discuss ______. Your audience is ...." a group of English teachers. Or perhaps "your parents." Or "your 6-year-old sister." "A group of students about to start reading the novel." "A group of inmates in prison." "A group of inner-city youth more interested in their gang than some dead white guy's take on the socio-cultural milieu from 85 years ago." "A group of bored suburban women at a library reading circle." "A group of teen girls." Yeah, there's stereotyping--but the goal isn't the stereotype, but linguistic and perspective flexibility on the part of the writer and speaker.

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Proud holder of an English degree here... GreenEyedLefty Apr 2014 #1
+1000 Tom Ripley Apr 2014 #16
Yes, "corporatizing" does seem to be a factor. nt TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #28
+1... Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #37
"What are you going to do with that?" deutsey Apr 2014 #43
Bravo!!!! Well said!!! BIG K&R!! riderinthestorm Apr 2014 #2
That's a function of the AP curriculum, though. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #32
That same mindset permeates the N.J. Collegiate English Departments. TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #35
I disagree. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #42
R#1 & K for, I are an English (lit) major, & when *was* it not a poor choice for the marketplace?!1 UTUSN Apr 2014 #3
If you want a useful resource for grammar and usage, you could visit tblue37 Apr 2014 #7
Thanks. I "get" lie/lay and those basics. I wanted (back then) to be grammatically worthy of UTUSN Apr 2014 #10
I have a Masters in English. MineralMan Apr 2014 #4
Actual writing of poetry and plays would be in the Fine Arts FarCenter Apr 2014 #5
True. MineralMan Apr 2014 #6
Real and useful writing can be taught directly, without an English Departments many detours FarCenter Apr 2014 #8
During my graduate studies, MineralMan Apr 2014 #15
IIRC, the only time freshmen saw an English professor was a once a week lecture in the auditorium FarCenter Apr 2014 #29
With the exception of playwriting and music, most BFA & MFA limit Creative Writing skills. TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #11
I'm of the opinion that writers and other artists don't have LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #9
College provides an environment where artists/writers can interact with one another KittyWampus Apr 2014 #20
Got my degree in literature. Igel Apr 2014 #12
One of my goals, as a continuing education student, is to obtain your skill level or higher. TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #18
You make some good points rjsquirrel Apr 2014 #13
Thanks. TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #17
What misspellings do you find? uppityperson Apr 2014 #19
Great post TransitJohn Apr 2014 #14
Thanks John. TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #22
Great post! I'm not an English major and I think it shows. :) However... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #21
Most University English Departments MineralMan Apr 2014 #23
Yes, I read the OP and that's what it said, but that's why I asked the why of it. Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #24
The publication they require is academic publication. MineralMan Apr 2014 #25
Bingo! I couldn't have written it better. nt TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #27
As an English novice, a continuing ed student, I'll give it a shot... TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #26
Thank you. Very interesting explanation of how English departments tend to go nowadays Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #30
What an excellent post. idendoit Apr 2014 #31
A few thoughts from this high school English teacher: knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #33
A few retorts: TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #34
My replies to your retorts. ;) knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #41
I was a literature major, but this is an example of why I chose a creative writing emphasis. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #36
Um, an English Literature degree is not the same thing as a creative writing degree. 6000eliot Apr 2014 #38
Many people who obtain English degrees are not doing so to get some crappy job. bemildred Apr 2014 #39
Media & Communication also rank in the bottom tier of paying professions. nt TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #40
Right, but you can get a job. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #44
They're at least partly right... Orsino Apr 2014 #45
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