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knitter4democracy

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33. A few thoughts from this high school English teacher:
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 10:41 PM
Apr 2014

1. Your ideas for "Twelfth Night" are what we usually do on the high school level, not on the college level. In order to do any of those projects, one needs a solid basis in critical thought and analysis, so I'm not sure why you're saying they are somehow better or better suited to the college level.

2. One thing I learned in taking a couple of 500-level literature courses for fun was that many programs really don't teach good textual analysis these days. Sure, students could cite this critic or that critic, but they couldn't do a phoneme-by-phoneme analysis, a syntactical analysis, or anything on a really close reading level--and neither could the professor. My little Christian college taught me well in that regard, mostly because the critics weren't safe to teach there, but the texts were as long as we kept our mouths shut outside of class.

3. Because so many colleges have separate creative writing degrees, it really should come as no surprise that regular English major programs require so little in the way of creative writing.

4. Lastly, I don't see why you would attack critical analysis or critical thinking as somehow less-than compared to writing. Both skills are important in any job, sure, but in all reality, critical analysis/thought is something sorely lacking in many businesses today, something we English majors can help with. When I was a temp in college during my breaks, I was offered more than one job, and I remember asking one boss why when I didn't have a business degree. He said, "I can teach you the business part, that's easy, but what most business majors can't do is write well or think for themselves." I do not think we are doing English majors a disservice in teaching them how to analyze and think for themselves as well as how to write critical analysis pieces.

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Proud holder of an English degree here... GreenEyedLefty Apr 2014 #1
+1000 Tom Ripley Apr 2014 #16
Yes, "corporatizing" does seem to be a factor. nt TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #28
+1... Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #37
"What are you going to do with that?" deutsey Apr 2014 #43
Bravo!!!! Well said!!! BIG K&R!! riderinthestorm Apr 2014 #2
That's a function of the AP curriculum, though. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #32
That same mindset permeates the N.J. Collegiate English Departments. TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #35
I disagree. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #42
R#1 & K for, I are an English (lit) major, & when *was* it not a poor choice for the marketplace?!1 UTUSN Apr 2014 #3
If you want a useful resource for grammar and usage, you could visit tblue37 Apr 2014 #7
Thanks. I "get" lie/lay and those basics. I wanted (back then) to be grammatically worthy of UTUSN Apr 2014 #10
I have a Masters in English. MineralMan Apr 2014 #4
Actual writing of poetry and plays would be in the Fine Arts FarCenter Apr 2014 #5
True. MineralMan Apr 2014 #6
Real and useful writing can be taught directly, without an English Departments many detours FarCenter Apr 2014 #8
During my graduate studies, MineralMan Apr 2014 #15
IIRC, the only time freshmen saw an English professor was a once a week lecture in the auditorium FarCenter Apr 2014 #29
With the exception of playwriting and music, most BFA & MFA limit Creative Writing skills. TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #11
I'm of the opinion that writers and other artists don't have LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #9
College provides an environment where artists/writers can interact with one another KittyWampus Apr 2014 #20
Got my degree in literature. Igel Apr 2014 #12
One of my goals, as a continuing education student, is to obtain your skill level or higher. TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #18
You make some good points rjsquirrel Apr 2014 #13
Thanks. TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #17
What misspellings do you find? uppityperson Apr 2014 #19
Great post TransitJohn Apr 2014 #14
Thanks John. TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #22
Great post! I'm not an English major and I think it shows. :) However... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #21
Most University English Departments MineralMan Apr 2014 #23
Yes, I read the OP and that's what it said, but that's why I asked the why of it. Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #24
The publication they require is academic publication. MineralMan Apr 2014 #25
Bingo! I couldn't have written it better. nt TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #27
As an English novice, a continuing ed student, I'll give it a shot... TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #26
Thank you. Very interesting explanation of how English departments tend to go nowadays Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #30
What an excellent post. idendoit Apr 2014 #31
A few thoughts from this high school English teacher: knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #33
A few retorts: TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #34
My replies to your retorts. ;) knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #41
I was a literature major, but this is an example of why I chose a creative writing emphasis. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #36
Um, an English Literature degree is not the same thing as a creative writing degree. 6000eliot Apr 2014 #38
Many people who obtain English degrees are not doing so to get some crappy job. bemildred Apr 2014 #39
Media & Communication also rank in the bottom tier of paying professions. nt TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #40
Right, but you can get a job. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #44
They're at least partly right... Orsino Apr 2014 #45
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