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knitter4democracy

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41. My replies to your retorts. ;)
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 09:23 AM
Apr 2014

1. I did that assignment at an alternative high school with students who had already done English 9's R&J three times and needed to be taught a different play in a small pull-out group. Not sure why you thought it was only an AP or honors level assignment, since it's often done on the middle school and high school levels. Then again, that group's final test for the unit was fairly stunning (they had to write up how they'd produce the play with a $500 grant at our school from casting to costumes to sets--they blew that one out of the water).

2. If I understand correctly, creative writing majors don't have to take that class, and some kinds of English majors don't, either. It was optional for English majors in education, if I remember right, at my college. At least, the elementary ed people didn't have to take it. I don't think it makes sense to say that students will master a skill in just one class and so don't have to do it ever again in other classes.

3. Most states do have some sort of standard curricula amongst college degree programs, but that does not mean that they are the same from state to state.

4. Personal taste is easy to deal with when a good rubric is used, and frankly, even given I went to a conservative Christian college, I never have had a professor ever say that I couldn't tackle a paper in a more creative way. The only place I've found that is very against the idea of writing anything other than exactly what is delineated is my graduate program in education; every English prof I have had, from my college to grad classes at a state school, has always said that creative options were not only allowed but encouraged. I don't think they like reading the same dreck over and over again, just like I don't. Just because students go with the safe, boring option doesn't mean other options don't exist. Heck, I wrote an essay in my Am. Lit. class in college that was in the epistolary style that my prof helped me edit into something better, taking time to meet with me one-on-one a few times to work through the writing process with me--all that, just because I asked if I could.

College is what we make of it. It's easy to blame the system or to blame the parts of the system we interact with the most, professors, but in reality, it's not their fault if we don't learn to stretch our wings, ask for the chance to try something different, or look at the assignment and see a different way to do it that still meets the requirements. They set up the right conditions, and if we're too scared for our GPA to take the risk, that's on us, not them.

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Proud holder of an English degree here... GreenEyedLefty Apr 2014 #1
+1000 Tom Ripley Apr 2014 #16
Yes, "corporatizing" does seem to be a factor. nt TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #28
+1... Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #37
"What are you going to do with that?" deutsey Apr 2014 #43
Bravo!!!! Well said!!! BIG K&R!! riderinthestorm Apr 2014 #2
That's a function of the AP curriculum, though. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #32
That same mindset permeates the N.J. Collegiate English Departments. TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #35
I disagree. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #42
R#1 & K for, I are an English (lit) major, & when *was* it not a poor choice for the marketplace?!1 UTUSN Apr 2014 #3
If you want a useful resource for grammar and usage, you could visit tblue37 Apr 2014 #7
Thanks. I "get" lie/lay and those basics. I wanted (back then) to be grammatically worthy of UTUSN Apr 2014 #10
I have a Masters in English. MineralMan Apr 2014 #4
Actual writing of poetry and plays would be in the Fine Arts FarCenter Apr 2014 #5
True. MineralMan Apr 2014 #6
Real and useful writing can be taught directly, without an English Departments many detours FarCenter Apr 2014 #8
During my graduate studies, MineralMan Apr 2014 #15
IIRC, the only time freshmen saw an English professor was a once a week lecture in the auditorium FarCenter Apr 2014 #29
With the exception of playwriting and music, most BFA & MFA limit Creative Writing skills. TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #11
I'm of the opinion that writers and other artists don't have LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #9
College provides an environment where artists/writers can interact with one another KittyWampus Apr 2014 #20
Got my degree in literature. Igel Apr 2014 #12
One of my goals, as a continuing education student, is to obtain your skill level or higher. TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #18
You make some good points rjsquirrel Apr 2014 #13
Thanks. TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #17
What misspellings do you find? uppityperson Apr 2014 #19
Great post TransitJohn Apr 2014 #14
Thanks John. TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #22
Great post! I'm not an English major and I think it shows. :) However... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #21
Most University English Departments MineralMan Apr 2014 #23
Yes, I read the OP and that's what it said, but that's why I asked the why of it. Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #24
The publication they require is academic publication. MineralMan Apr 2014 #25
Bingo! I couldn't have written it better. nt TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #27
As an English novice, a continuing ed student, I'll give it a shot... TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #26
Thank you. Very interesting explanation of how English departments tend to go nowadays Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #30
What an excellent post. idendoit Apr 2014 #31
A few thoughts from this high school English teacher: knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #33
A few retorts: TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #34
My replies to your retorts. ;) knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #41
I was a literature major, but this is an example of why I chose a creative writing emphasis. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #36
Um, an English Literature degree is not the same thing as a creative writing degree. 6000eliot Apr 2014 #38
Many people who obtain English degrees are not doing so to get some crappy job. bemildred Apr 2014 #39
Media & Communication also rank in the bottom tier of paying professions. nt TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #40
Right, but you can get a job. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #44
They're at least partly right... Orsino Apr 2014 #45
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