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Tommy_Carcetti

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8. The Russians have no interest in allying with Eastern Ukraine.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 09:29 AM
Apr 2014

The Russians want to skip the formalities and simply annex Eastern Ukraine so they can have it all for themselves.

And now, with the Ukrainian government at its weakest, it is the Russians' best chance to do so. So what we see is not unexpected, although it is clearly wrong.

They are seriously overplaying their hands though with these Eastern Ukrainian cities, assuming that just because many of the citizens speak Russian that their loyalties will go to Russia. The fact of the matter is that most of them consider themselves ethnic Ukrainians regardless of the language issue (many of them having no choice but to be raised speaking Russian due to Soviet dominance). But that's Russia's lesson to be learned.

And regarding Crimea, Crimea was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR during the Soviet era. Moscow controlled everything, so Crimea falling under the Ukrainian SSR was of little consequence at that time. When the USSR broke apart, Crimea remained under Ukrainian control under its natural borders, although semi-autonomously so. And while there was talk of full independence, the notion of Crimea being annexed and absorbed into Russia didn't arise until the change in power in Kiev. Which again clearly demonstrates Russian subterfuge.

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Hmm.."somebody told me here this would not escalate nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #1
I had several people tell me I was wrong about it escalating davidpdx Apr 2014 #3
Well, we are getting closer to the point of decision for NATO nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #9
Yup... joshcryer Apr 2014 #4
Western Ukraine should pre-empt them and declare a Republic of Ruthenia Recursion Apr 2014 #2
Won't happen. MattSh Apr 2014 #6
Let's face it--the Ukraine is like Czechoxlovakia--it needs a Velvet Divorce. eridani Apr 2014 #5
The Russians have no interest in allying with Eastern Ukraine. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #8
So just never mind that Crimeans had no choice about joining the Ukraine eridani Apr 2014 #11
Again, that was an internal re-organziation within the Soviet Union. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #17
And the '54 annexation was even less of an expression of the will of the people eridani Apr 2014 #22
1954 didn't really matter all that much. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #23
Funny how the flags of "Independent" Donetsk and Khrakiv look *exactly* like that of Russia. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #7
And a lot of the flags at the Kiev demonstrations... MattSh Apr 2014 #15
So you're saying what? Ukraine wants to join 1930s Nazi Germany? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #18
That Is A Good Question, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #19
That's quite a leap. MattSh Apr 2014 #24
Really? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #25
Yeah, right... joeybee12 Apr 2014 #20
Yet another good reason we should stay the hell out of the squabble. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #10
What's good for the goose... Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #12
Not Quite Accurate, Sir: 'Small Group Of Protesters Issue Manifesto' Would Be More Like It The Magistrate Apr 2014 #13
I'm posting what the news story says... MattSh Apr 2014 #14
'Pro-Russians call east Ukraine region independent' Was the Headline, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #16
+1 and also the Nazi reference was his also... joeybee12 Apr 2014 #21
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