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72. Try to answer post #36 without making this about me. How's that BainsBane?

Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:48 PM

Apr 2014

You do not even seem to understand what "personal attack" means. Let me explain.

I say, for example, that I want a world with no rapes. Then YOU claim that my previous posting history shows that somehow this is not true, that I am, in fact, a person that somehow defends rape, diminishes the importance of the issue, etc.

I take strong exception to that and I will not accept that characterization because it is false, malicious and yes, a personal attack.

Previous posts can certainly be discussed in their proper place -the original post - but to mischaracterize as you do so often is wrong.

Essentially what you do is to mischaracterize the intent of a post from the past, provide a link and pretend that that is merely "shedding light"... the problem is that the effort that it would require for your mischaracterizations ("attacks&quot to be cleared up each time is overwhelming. It would, in fact, require a lot of typing and work to overcome your disingenuous mud-slinging.

The bottom line is that you make it personal. Always. It is what you do. And yes, that is not right.

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How to Lie with Rape Statistics: America's Hidden Rape Crisis [View all] redqueen Apr 2014 OP

DURec leftstreet Apr 2014 #1

designating a complaint as "unfounded", as a lesser offense; failing to create a written report seabeyond Apr 2014 #2

considerable undercounting from 1995 to 2012. conservatively estimates that 796,213 to 1,145,309 seabeyond Apr 2014 #3

Instead of experiencing the widely reported "great decline" in rape... a hidden rape crisis. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #4

total validation of my argument and confirmation to what i have been saying. thank you redq, seabeyond Apr 2014 #5

My pleasure. redqueen Apr 2014 #6

when i sit with three other women. four of us. ask, how many rapes amongst us. the number at 4 seabeyond Apr 2014 #7

Are you seriously suggesting relying on anecdotal evidence rather than data? Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #33

it told me the FBI numbers were bullshit, while the men and MRA's held up the FBI numbers as seabeyond Apr 2014 #34

that's hard to believe hfojvt Apr 2014 #36

Good catch. Nt Bonobo Apr 2014 #40

It "sounds" right, intuitively. But that's assuming there's a strong correlation between rape and nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #46

Perhaps it has dropped BainsBane Apr 2014 #79

+ 1,000,000 nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #84

The "propagandists" at the Bureau of Justice Statistics have a slightly different take. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 #8

“The National Crime Victimization Survey Is Likely Undercounting Rape and Sexual Assault.” seabeyond Apr 2014 #11

You can post it a dozen times, sea. A hundred... redqueen Apr 2014 #13

Until the NISVS has some years of data under it's belt, the NCVS is the only one that can show trend lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #19

wrong numbers are wrong numbers. simply that. ncvs numbers are wrong. so we have NO numbers. seabeyond Apr 2014 #20

trends are trends qazplm Apr 2014 #26

you can chat trend, assume and all the rest. i disagree and wont play the game, seabeyond Apr 2014 #29

No, that's simply wrong. Wrong numbers can still provide useful information. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #31

i disagree. agenda teaches us otherwise when we find it. as we did in FBI numbers. seabeyond Apr 2014 #32

Wrong numbers are only useful to those that want them wrong... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #37

To repeat myself: no, that's simply wrong Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #38

When trying to understand how prevalent rape is... Using wrong numbers is wrong Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #39

Are you not reading what I am saying, or just ignoring it? Or do you think there is a mistake in it? Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #41

You have several problems with your wrong numbers... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #42

But the argument is that the rape numbers *are* wrong in the same way Recursion Apr 2014 #44

It may well be significantly lower. But I don't see how anyone can argue that it's not unacceptably nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #47

against feminists and rape survivors BainsBane Apr 2014 #78

conservatively estimates that 796,213 to 1,145,309 complaints of rapes have disappeared Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #49

that would be crimes not written down, investigated, taken serious. that would be crimes ignored. seabeyond Apr 2014 #50

It's worse then that... Those are only the "forcible vaginal rapes of female victims" Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #51

oh... and the victim had to be over 12, and the no alcohol. you know. what is that shit. read seabeyond Apr 2014 #53

All seems to be for the purpose of massaging the numbers so they don't look so bad. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #80

There really does seem to be a huge effort from a small group here trying to convince JTFrog Apr 2014 #54

"Because evolution" - yes, sex is a natural human (and animal) behavior, so what? What does that nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #81

as is all violent crime BainsBane Apr 2014 #77

Yeesh! A Little Weird Apr 2014 #9

This is happening everywhere TheSarcastinator Apr 2014 #10

yes. it is nation wide. it is voluntary. it is a horrible way to have a reality check for crimes. seabeyond Apr 2014 #12

Yes, it is often intentionally done to cook the books / make the numbers look good. redqueen Apr 2014 #14

When the bushes got put into the White House by the Supreme Court fasttense Apr 2014 #48

So "being intoxicated eliminates, by law, the ability for consent..." malthaussen Apr 2014 #15

Another excellent OP, and an important resource thucythucy Apr 2014 #16

+1. i could nto agree with you more. and it is du's loss when redq feels the need to step away. seabeyond Apr 2014 #17

+ [insert large number here] johnp3907 Apr 2014 #27

k and r with deepest thanks, redqueen. but we are constantly told that there is NO war on women. niyad Apr 2014 #18

Not to mercuryblues Apr 2014 #21

you and i need to chat about the "some" thing.... lol seabeyond Apr 2014 #22

LOL mercuryblues Apr 2014 #25

Men is just plural of man and there is no qualifying number. seabeyond Apr 2014 #28

trust me mercuryblues Apr 2014 #30

Thanks. I knew ab out the media investigations and their results, but Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #23

interesting, huh. and ya. gotta remember. i forgot seabeyond Apr 2014 #24

K&R CFLDem Apr 2014 #35

But can the reporting in 2014 really be *worse* than it was in 1984? Recursion Apr 2014 #43

But Recursion... Bonobo Apr 2014 #45

Recursion isn't going to buy into your efforts BainsBane Apr 2014 #57

I am mocking the approach which Bonobo Apr 2014 #59

there are just so many factors with rape. it is not the same as other crimes. and does not have seabeyond Apr 2014 #52

it's more than a distinct possibility foo_bar Apr 2014 #55

What's interesting BainsBane Apr 2014 #56

A better question is: Bonobo Apr 2014 #60

+ a metric fuckton opiate69 Apr 2014 #61

"spot on" BainsBane Apr 2014 #66

"The OP asks us to believe a 200 word abstract"... There is a 60 page paper that goes along with it Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #64

You mean actually read the paper? BainsBane Apr 2014 #67

Because the same people who insist rape is down statistically BainsBane Apr 2014 #65

Personal attacks are personal attacks and I KNEW you would come to that. Bonobo Apr 2014 #68

I made no personal attacks BainsBane Apr 2014 #69

Try to answer post #36 without making this about me. How's that BainsBane? Bonobo Apr 2014 #72

Where did I name you? BainsBane Apr 2014 #73

What about the paper... Are you going to read that? Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #70

I will. I did not originally know the actual article was available for everyone. Bonobo Apr 2014 #71

She made no attacks whatsoever against you personally. Unless you identify as an MRA nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #82

"...refer to anti-rape prevention campaigns as 'haranguing men' or misandrist." nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #83

For whatever reason some have a vested interest in convincing people down is up Major Nikon Apr 2014 #75

Another one who refuses to read the study BainsBane Apr 2014 #76

K&R ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #58

Even Fox News admits 11,000 rape kits weren't even processed in Detroit... Jasana Apr 2014 #62

There Are 400,000 Unprocessed Rape Kits in the U.S. How Can This Be? seabeyond Apr 2014 #63

(Sad sigh) I will have to start bookmarking these in a special folder... Jasana Apr 2014 #74

"Men" like that should be offered a free vasectomy at best, quarantined at worst. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #85