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Major Nikon

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75. For whatever reason some have a vested interest in convincing people down is up

Wed Apr 9, 2014, 02:08 AM

Apr 2014

Whenever anything is mentioned about law enforcement underreporting sexual assault, we are given this as evidence that rape is really up instead of down.

The problem is hypothesis is that if the police were underreporting sexual assaults between 1995-2012, there's no reason to believe they weren't underreporting prior to 1995 as well. Futhermore the percentage of sexual assaults reported to police has gone up over the same time period.

The usual tactic of those who keep claiming down is up is to try an impeach those who claim otherwise by alleging they are using "MRA stats" or they are misogynists or some other ad hominem gibberish which is consistent with their usual MO.

When you ask them why the NCVS (which isn't based on police reporting at all) says sexual assault is down by 50%, you get either crickets as a response or they just pretend the NCVS doesn't exist and keep repeating the same thing.

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How to Lie with Rape Statistics: America's Hidden Rape Crisis [View all] redqueen Apr 2014 OP

DURec leftstreet Apr 2014 #1

designating a complaint as "unfounded", as a lesser offense; failing to create a written report seabeyond Apr 2014 #2

considerable undercounting from 1995 to 2012. conservatively estimates that 796,213 to 1,145,309 seabeyond Apr 2014 #3

Instead of experiencing the widely reported "great decline" in rape... a hidden rape crisis. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #4

total validation of my argument and confirmation to what i have been saying. thank you redq, seabeyond Apr 2014 #5

My pleasure. redqueen Apr 2014 #6

when i sit with three other women. four of us. ask, how many rapes amongst us. the number at 4 seabeyond Apr 2014 #7

Are you seriously suggesting relying on anecdotal evidence rather than data? Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #33

it told me the FBI numbers were bullshit, while the men and MRA's held up the FBI numbers as seabeyond Apr 2014 #34

that's hard to believe hfojvt Apr 2014 #36

Good catch. Nt Bonobo Apr 2014 #40

It "sounds" right, intuitively. But that's assuming there's a strong correlation between rape and nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #46

Perhaps it has dropped BainsBane Apr 2014 #79

+ 1,000,000 nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #84

The "propagandists" at the Bureau of Justice Statistics have a slightly different take. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 #8

“The National Crime Victimization Survey Is Likely Undercounting Rape and Sexual Assault.” seabeyond Apr 2014 #11

You can post it a dozen times, sea. A hundred... redqueen Apr 2014 #13

Until the NISVS has some years of data under it's belt, the NCVS is the only one that can show trend lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #19

wrong numbers are wrong numbers. simply that. ncvs numbers are wrong. so we have NO numbers. seabeyond Apr 2014 #20

trends are trends qazplm Apr 2014 #26

you can chat trend, assume and all the rest. i disagree and wont play the game, seabeyond Apr 2014 #29

No, that's simply wrong. Wrong numbers can still provide useful information. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #31

i disagree. agenda teaches us otherwise when we find it. as we did in FBI numbers. seabeyond Apr 2014 #32

Wrong numbers are only useful to those that want them wrong... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #37

To repeat myself: no, that's simply wrong Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #38

When trying to understand how prevalent rape is... Using wrong numbers is wrong Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #39

Are you not reading what I am saying, or just ignoring it? Or do you think there is a mistake in it? Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #41

You have several problems with your wrong numbers... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #42

But the argument is that the rape numbers *are* wrong in the same way Recursion Apr 2014 #44

It may well be significantly lower. But I don't see how anyone can argue that it's not unacceptably nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #47

against feminists and rape survivors BainsBane Apr 2014 #78

conservatively estimates that 796,213 to 1,145,309 complaints of rapes have disappeared Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #49

that would be crimes not written down, investigated, taken serious. that would be crimes ignored. seabeyond Apr 2014 #50

It's worse then that... Those are only the "forcible vaginal rapes of female victims" Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #51

oh... and the victim had to be over 12, and the no alcohol. you know. what is that shit. read seabeyond Apr 2014 #53

All seems to be for the purpose of massaging the numbers so they don't look so bad. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #80

There really does seem to be a huge effort from a small group here trying to convince JTFrog Apr 2014 #54

"Because evolution" - yes, sex is a natural human (and animal) behavior, so what? What does that nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #81

as is all violent crime BainsBane Apr 2014 #77

Yeesh! A Little Weird Apr 2014 #9

This is happening everywhere TheSarcastinator Apr 2014 #10

yes. it is nation wide. it is voluntary. it is a horrible way to have a reality check for crimes. seabeyond Apr 2014 #12

Yes, it is often intentionally done to cook the books / make the numbers look good. redqueen Apr 2014 #14

When the bushes got put into the White House by the Supreme Court fasttense Apr 2014 #48

So "being intoxicated eliminates, by law, the ability for consent..." malthaussen Apr 2014 #15

Another excellent OP, and an important resource thucythucy Apr 2014 #16

+1. i could nto agree with you more. and it is du's loss when redq feels the need to step away. seabeyond Apr 2014 #17

+ [insert large number here] johnp3907 Apr 2014 #27

k and r with deepest thanks, redqueen. but we are constantly told that there is NO war on women. niyad Apr 2014 #18

Not to mercuryblues Apr 2014 #21

you and i need to chat about the "some" thing.... lol seabeyond Apr 2014 #22

LOL mercuryblues Apr 2014 #25

Men is just plural of man and there is no qualifying number. seabeyond Apr 2014 #28

trust me mercuryblues Apr 2014 #30

Thanks. I knew ab out the media investigations and their results, but Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #23

interesting, huh. and ya. gotta remember. i forgot seabeyond Apr 2014 #24

K&R CFLDem Apr 2014 #35

But can the reporting in 2014 really be *worse* than it was in 1984? Recursion Apr 2014 #43

But Recursion... Bonobo Apr 2014 #45

Recursion isn't going to buy into your efforts BainsBane Apr 2014 #57

I am mocking the approach which Bonobo Apr 2014 #59

there are just so many factors with rape. it is not the same as other crimes. and does not have seabeyond Apr 2014 #52

it's more than a distinct possibility foo_bar Apr 2014 #55

What's interesting BainsBane Apr 2014 #56

A better question is: Bonobo Apr 2014 #60

+ a metric fuckton opiate69 Apr 2014 #61

"spot on" BainsBane Apr 2014 #66

"The OP asks us to believe a 200 word abstract"... There is a 60 page paper that goes along with it Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #64

You mean actually read the paper? BainsBane Apr 2014 #67

Because the same people who insist rape is down statistically BainsBane Apr 2014 #65

Personal attacks are personal attacks and I KNEW you would come to that. Bonobo Apr 2014 #68

I made no personal attacks BainsBane Apr 2014 #69

Try to answer post #36 without making this about me. How's that BainsBane? Bonobo Apr 2014 #72

Where did I name you? BainsBane Apr 2014 #73

What about the paper... Are you going to read that? Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #70

I will. I did not originally know the actual article was available for everyone. Bonobo Apr 2014 #71

She made no attacks whatsoever against you personally. Unless you identify as an MRA nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #82

"...refer to anti-rape prevention campaigns as 'haranguing men' or misandrist." nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #83

For whatever reason some have a vested interest in convincing people down is up Major Nikon Apr 2014 #75

Another one who refuses to read the study BainsBane Apr 2014 #76

K&R ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #58

Even Fox News admits 11,000 rape kits weren't even processed in Detroit... Jasana Apr 2014 #62

There Are 400,000 Unprocessed Rape Kits in the U.S. How Can This Be? seabeyond Apr 2014 #63

(Sad sigh) I will have to start bookmarking these in a special folder... Jasana Apr 2014 #74

"Men" like that should be offered a free vasectomy at best, quarantined at worst. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #85