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17. He doth protest too much

Wed Apr 9, 2014, 08:43 AM

Apr 2014

I didn't claim the coup was due solely to US interference. Now *you* have an accuracy problem of a more serious kind. At least I made the mistake of conflating "NED" with "USA" which doesn't even rate as a stretch.

That interference (to some degree) is a certainty given the involvement of USAid and NED, Nuland's words stated AFTER the crowds turned violent (no later than Dec. 2), molotov cocktails and other firebombing are considered by none other than the US of A as terrorism at home and NOT a reasonable response to police beatings, and even if the crowds were still peaceful at the time, supporting the overthrow of an elected leading constitutes interference against Ukrainian sovereignty. Treaty breeched.

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No doubt the US influence was there: Nuland virtually spelled-out that she expected an anti-Yanukovich result after Ukranian "civil society" had been eating out of Uncle Sam's hand. Actually, standing there in front of Exxon and Chevon logos, it was extremely brazen in true neocon style and I'll bet her husband and other Dick Cheney hires from the Bush era were proud.

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Russia: Constitutional Court Upholds ‘Foreign Agents’ Law [View all] ProSense Apr 2014 OP

Pretty easy after the USAID twitter thing in Cuba. /nt jakeXT Apr 2014 #1

I love all these ProSense Apr 2014 #5

National Endowment For Democracy is a US govt-funded front org cprise Apr 2014 #2

I Doubt You Can Back That Figure Up, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #3

Yes, Nuland is the source, though I mispoke re NED being 'the' instrument cprise Apr 2014 #4

Yes, Sir, You Mis-Spoke, To A Degree Which Calls Into Question If You Understand The Basics Here The Magistrate Apr 2014 #10

He doth protest too much cprise Apr 2014 #17

I Describe, Sir, Not Protest The Magistrate Apr 2014 #18

Lets talk dates... cprise Apr 2014 #29

Riot Police Initiated Violence On 30 November, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #41

You are full of it. Beatup protesters is not cause for Regime Change. cprise Apr 2014 #43

Wait ProSense Apr 2014 #44

'Unsubstantiated claims' - sure cprise Apr 2014 #47

No, ProSense Apr 2014 #48

Flat denial with no mitigating facts. cprise Apr 2014 #50

All you've done is repeat: Leave Russia alone. n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #52

I'm saying your intepretation is based on the Cold Warrior drumbeat. n/t cprise Apr 2014 #53

Nonsense. You're searching for justification for your Russian apologia. n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #54

Your draconian take on the finance law fell apart, then changed the subject. n/t cprise Apr 2014 #57

Look at this thread: You started out with a bogus defense of legalized persecution ProSense Apr 2014 #58

You didn't like that reminder about US-backed NGOs I see. n/t cprise Apr 2014 #59

This Is Nonesense, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #60

Rioters initiated lethal violence-Dec. 2 cprise Apr 2014 #61

That, Sir, Was Priceless The Magistrate Apr 2014 #62

So condemning lethal force in response to beatings is 'support of police brutality'. cprise Apr 2014 #63

It Is Clear, Sir, You Have Never Given The Subject Much Thought The Magistrate Apr 2014 #64

So violence=violence, regardless of what kind. cprise Apr 2014 #65

Your Sputtering Is Noted, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #66

What does that have to do with Russia and the HRW report? n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #6

HRW is arguing a Libertarian Globalist view of NGO finance. cprise Apr 2014 #8

Again, ProSense Apr 2014 #9

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See, ProSense Apr 2014 #46

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So you ProSense Apr 2014 #51

The rhetoric has descended to baby babble now cprise Apr 2014 #55

Right... ProSense Apr 2014 #56

Yes, we need is a similar law in the U.S. ProSense Apr 2014 #7

Also pine for the bankers who would be "rounded up" if Glass-Steagal cprise Apr 2014 #11

The fact is that Russian law impede human rights. ProSense Apr 2014 #13

Falling back on stale rhetoric? cprise Apr 2014 #19

"No doubt Russian laws 'impede' human rights ProSense Apr 2014 #20

That one line tautology cprise Apr 2014 #23

Says the person ProSense Apr 2014 #24

You can imagine that and bet it is happening treestar Apr 2014 #15

Does the US allow foreign governments to foment unrest in malaise Apr 2014 #12

Well, ProSense Apr 2014 #14

Yes, but its still possible to finance advocates in Russia cprise Apr 2014 #21

Ridiculous. ProSense Apr 2014 #22

Disclosure isn't persecution. Too bad for your 3rd Way bankers. n/t cprise Apr 2014 #25

You know damn well this isn't about "disclosure." n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #26

Yeah, it means increased skepticism. Again... too bad! cprise Apr 2014 #27

No, it means legalized persecution. ProSense Apr 2014 #28

How enlightening. n/t cprise Apr 2014 #30

Yes. treestar Apr 2014 #16

An undefeated bully wanders into the woods nilesobek Apr 2014 #31

Isn't that ProSense Apr 2014 #32

Isn't Palin a neo-con that makes nilesobek Apr 2014 #33

"Isn't Palin a neo-con that makes crazy and inaccurate alarmist statements about Russia?" ProSense Apr 2014 #34

Just seems like mockery, but do carry on. nilesobek Apr 2014 #35

No, just correlating bravado and inaccuracies. n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #36

I'm ok with any kind of constructive criticism. nilesobek Apr 2014 #37

Well, that ProSense Apr 2014 #38

And the jury results are in... aikoaiko Apr 2014 #42

You spliced two stories together nilesobek Apr 2014 #39

That makes four ridiculous comments. n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #40