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DanTex

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105. So you call my post racist, and now you complain about hyperbole? What?

Wed Apr 9, 2014, 02:28 PM

Apr 2014

And you don't think that tossing around accusations of racism is "insulting and mistreating fellow Democrats"? Explain how that works.

I was insulting a group of people who is overwhelmingly right wing. Are there a few Democrats in there who think that "guns don't kill people" and that a stabbing with zero deaths is somehow evidence that without guns, there would still be just as many killings? Sure, I guess there are. There are probably also Democrats who believe that gay people will burn in hell. Or that global warming is a hoax.

But survey evidence shows that Democrats are overwhelmingly in favor of every gun control law that is under consideration. They are even in favor of laws that aren't, like licensing and registration. So I think that I'm in pretty safe territory here.

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Wow. The gun nuts are already using the PA stabbing to push the "guns don't kill people" argument. [View all] DanTex Apr 2014 OP

Making access to guns more difficult saves lives. JaneyVee Apr 2014 #1

Exactly. It's time that the US join the rest of the civilized world DanTex Apr 2014 #2

Like in DC and Chicago right? Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #6

Like in Europe, Canada, Australia, pretty much every developed country except the US. DanTex Apr 2014 #10

Hello, mirror. laundry_queen Apr 2014 #12

My mistake... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #22

As opposed to a real America... LanternWaste Apr 2014 #25

America as it actually is laundry_queen Apr 2014 #31

If that were true, they had the chance of a lifetime in the last two years... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #37

Well, with the GOP in control of congress, not too much movement in the progressive direction DanTex Apr 2014 #38

The dmocrats had it all from 2008 to 2010 yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #46

They actually got a lot done in those two years. DanTex Apr 2014 #48

There were gun laws passed in those years Go Vols Apr 2014 #145

Gosh I hope they didn't hurt themselves....lol. yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #155

While they have the House at the federal level... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #55

Well, there's the usual red state blue state thing. DanTex Apr 2014 #62

And that gets back to the open borders issue already explained to you. jeff47 Apr 2014 #67

Where on DU joeglow3 Apr 2014 #3

For starters... DanTex Apr 2014 #4

Calling DUers "gun nuts" is rank bigotry, and what they said is eminently sensible... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #42

Well, you are free to alert my post, if you think it is bigoted. In fact, you probably already have. DanTex Apr 2014 #44

I haven't, as I prefer to let your posts remain for all to see friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #52

I doubt that. I imagine your alert failed, and now you are trying to goad me into something else to DanTex Apr 2014 #56

Apparently, "gun nuts"= "those that disagree with DanTex". OK by me friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #60

Well, I do disagree with gun nuts, if that's your point. DanTex Apr 2014 #63

Honest math means not being numerically selective... beevul Apr 2014 #83

"you probably wouldn't be pro-NRA to begin with." Ahem: friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #84

Ooh, a buzzword! "Zampolit"! In italics no less! Wouldn't want anyone to miss it! DanTex Apr 2014 #124

Again, everyone who is evenly remotely pro-gun, is a ""full on NRA pro-gun extremist"... beevul Apr 2014 #128

Umm, well if you can find where I said that, that would be pretty interesting. DanTex Apr 2014 #132

I never said you said it. beevul Apr 2014 #134

Well, glad we agree on one thing. DanTex Apr 2014 #136

Ok, add to support for all current federal law... beevul Apr 2014 #137

In that it case it would depend, but I wouldn't automatically call someone an extremist for that DanTex Apr 2014 #140

Then you should be asking people if they support UBC before freely throwing the label... beevul Apr 2014 #144

Well, someone can support UBC and still be an extremist if they say sufficiently extremist things. DanTex Apr 2014 #148

I'll use "self-appointed witchfinder", instead. Also "bigot". Both apply friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #157

Hey, man, don't let me hold you back! If you like italicized buzzwords, go nuts! Who cares if DanTex Apr 2014 #160

Gun Nuts: wercal Apr 2014 #111

Proof that you can shoot guns without being a gun nut. DanTex Apr 2014 #121

Politicians. IveWornAHundredPants Apr 2014 #156

When they resort to namecalling, you know they ain't got nothin'. n/t Skip Intro Apr 2014 #116

I had planned to stay out sarisataka Apr 2014 #54

I don't accuse you of wanting guns for everyone. DanTex Apr 2014 #58

Perhaps it is due to our respective positions on the issue sarisataka Apr 2014 #80

I don't see anyone saying that things would be "fine" without guns. DanTex Apr 2014 #89

Since you ask, sarisataka Apr 2014 #139

Injured but not dead HockeyMom Apr 2014 #5

Exactly. This tragic event compared with Sandy Hook gives a vivid illustration of DanTex Apr 2014 #8

+1000 n/t n2doc Apr 2014 #14

Imagine if Adam Lanza had only had access to a knife (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #7

He wouldn't have blasted his way through the glass doors for one. nt Lex Apr 2014 #17

Yeah, well tough. Oakenshield Apr 2014 #18

Sort of like the argument many are making here on DU B2G Apr 2014 #9

How about we address both? DanTex Apr 2014 #11

You can't ignore guns. kcr Apr 2014 #13

I agree B2G Apr 2014 #21

Who makes that point that only weapons should be focused on, ever? kcr Apr 2014 #34

DU has a forum that is ineffect dedicated to that belief. beevul Apr 2014 #73

The anti mental health forum? kcr Apr 2014 #75

Go down there and start talking about mental health and see what happens. beevul Apr 2014 #78

I'd be willing to bet that I could get away with it kcr Apr 2014 #81

We're getting a bit off track, you asked... beevul Apr 2014 #85

If we're getting off track, you took it there. kcr Apr 2014 #88

Are you having trouble connecting the dots? beevul Apr 2014 #93

If, "trouble connecting the dots", can also mean, "trouble twisting logic" kcr Apr 2014 #100

You asked. beevul Apr 2014 #106

What help is there for those who take quotes out of context? kcr Apr 2014 #108

Face value. beevul Apr 2014 #117

Dishonesty. kcr Apr 2014 #119

Fundamental communication. beevul Apr 2014 #125

Fundamental communication includes context kcr Apr 2014 #149

Well said. Common Sense Party Apr 2014 #35

Fruitless except for reducing the number of dead people. jeff47 Apr 2014 #69

I read some news from another site that it was the principle to tackled him down oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #15

Said security guard among the injured...principle had an "interaction" with the boy alcibiades_mystery Apr 2014 #24

banning alcohol worked out well. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #16

That's a great point. We should have no laws against anything. DanTex Apr 2014 #19

If that was what he said, you might have a point... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #57

Great point, stupid laws are stupid! Or, as Beavis and Butthead said "I don't like stuff that sucks" DanTex Apr 2014 #70

Feel free to take a deep breath.. count to 10... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #71

Wait, you think my goal is to get you to "take me seriously"!?!? DanTex Apr 2014 #76

Here's a free clue... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #82

LOL. So you, a full on NRA pro-gun extremist, are here to give me advice on how to DanTex Apr 2014 #92

I enjoy an energetic and honest debate.. Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #95

Well, I don't see you changing your mind about gun control, period. DanTex Apr 2014 #98

Like I said... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #102

Yes, I agree that our current gun policy is insane. That's a good description. DanTex Apr 2014 #118

Keep on digging... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #122

That's good. Shorter sentences are better for you. Small words, too. DanTex Apr 2014 #126

Classic debating "technique" for those who don't have a point... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #127

Uh oh, now you're back to the long sentence thing. Don't say I didn't warn you! DanTex Apr 2014 #129

Remember this conversation... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #133

Yes, obviously, if we don't get gun violence under control in the next 30 years, it will be my fault DanTex Apr 2014 #147

Everyone who is pro-gun is an extremist... beevul Apr 2014 #97

Well, the Koch Brothers surely don't think they are extremists either. DanTex Apr 2014 #101

Is that the best you can do? beevul Apr 2014 #104

And apparently it was pretty good, since you didn't address any of it. DanTex Apr 2014 #110

There was nothign there to address except baseless innuendo. N/T beevul Apr 2014 #112

See what I mean? DanTex Apr 2014 #114

So, we shouldn't even regulate them, like we do alcohol, like we do some drugs... joeybee12 Apr 2014 #27

Yes, regulating has been generally effective. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #33

Once guns are gotten rid of, it's the sensible next step shanemcg Apr 2014 #20

I live 4 miles from this high school ebbie15644 Apr 2014 #23

Idiots. If it had been a gun there would have been many deaths. Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #26

+1 absolutely...nt joeybee12 Apr 2014 #29

Exactly etherealtruth Apr 2014 #150

This is the first post I saw. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2014 #28

Firepower matters. backscatter712 Apr 2014 #30

The right wants to get rid of cops coljam Apr 2014 #32

Hate to break this to you, IronGate Apr 2014 #51

Violence is everywhere and we as a nation needs to get a handle on it. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #36

They did the same thing on the day Adam Lanza shot up the classroom wryter2000 Apr 2014 #39

I always had a hunch about knives...good to know all that blame on guns Rex Apr 2014 #40

What your hysteria prevents you from understanding MO_Moderate Apr 2014 #41

Yeah, I get that old wealthy white conservative males don't care about gun violence because it DanTex Apr 2014 #43

Apparently, you get nothing MO_Moderate Apr 2014 #59

My racist screed. LOL. Like Bill O'Reilly's "white conservatives males are the real victims" thing DanTex Apr 2014 #66

Hyperbole is not speaking 'truthfully' MO_Moderate Apr 2014 #99

So you call my post racist, and now you complain about hyperbole? What? DanTex Apr 2014 #105

it's GUN NUT LOGIC, DanTex! Skittles Apr 2014 #152

+1 Lex Apr 2014 #72

Realization of their ineffectuality is driving many antigun types to act out friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #49

Good points MO_Moderate Apr 2014 #61

spot on Puzzledtraveller Apr 2014 #120

Exactly so. N/T beevul Apr 2014 #130

Hint - They aren't interested in changing minds... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #64

And the polls are skewed, right? jeff47 Apr 2014 #74

Polls can say whatever you want them to say MO_Moderate Apr 2014 #123

That sound was the point whistling far over your head. jeff47 Apr 2014 #143

well no one accused gun nuts of being smart leftyohiolib Apr 2014 #45

amazing , isn't it? They have no shame, dead babies are just part of the scenery.... bowens43 Apr 2014 #47

Studies and data? Like that less than one percent of gun owners use their guns to harm others? The Straight Story Apr 2014 #50

Yes, studies, the kind done by people with credentials and training, and published in peer reviewed DanTex Apr 2014 #53

"cost tens of thousands of innocent lives every year." That's what the fetus fetishists say... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #65

But those people are wrong. Gun violence victims aren't fetuses, you see... DanTex Apr 2014 #68

Of course they are- but there's no telling a culture warrior they're in error friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #77

Yes, imposing religious views about medical procedures is bad. DanTex Apr 2014 #79

Imposing religious views on enumerated rights is also bad friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #158

Good point. And now back to the gun issue, where there are actual people dying, not fetuses. DanTex Apr 2014 #161

"Tens of thousands" ?? in 2010 it was 11,000. Out of 350,000,000+ The Straight Story Apr 2014 #86

About 30K gun deaths per year, 10K homicide, 20K suicide roughly. DanTex Apr 2014 #90

Ok, so let's ban anything people can kill themsevles with The Straight Story Apr 2014 #91

Well, that's an interesting tangent. DanTex Apr 2014 #94

I tend to view suicide as a personal choice, regardless of method. beevul Apr 2014 #103

I imagine that view is motivated primarily by your gun politics. DanTex Apr 2014 #107

Thats quite an imagination you have. beevul Apr 2014 #113

The issue is no chance to change one's mind. jeff47 Apr 2014 #109

Don't ya know if they jump off a bridge it's "bridge violence" I guess.... n/t EX500rider Apr 2014 #154

You are obssessed with peer reviewed studies. MicaelS Apr 2014 #131

Well, I am a scientist. I am aware with the flaws of the peer review system, but DanTex Apr 2014 #135

I most assuredly am not going to toss out all peer reviewed studies. MicaelS Apr 2014 #146

Can't attack you with a knife from 10 feet away HockeyMom Apr 2014 #87

There was a Mythbusters episode about that... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #96

The number you are looking for is sarisataka Apr 2014 #142

Hey, that's true in Opposite World frazzled Apr 2014 #115

Of course they are Packerowner740 Apr 2014 #138

Trashing thread. closeupready Apr 2014 #141

that's what happens when you're a paranoid asshole Skittles Apr 2014 #151

The nutters aren't even consistent in their illogic: According to them, now *everyone needs knives!* villager Apr 2014 #153

I've no doubt whatsoever you believe someone said that.... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #159

Gee, I would think gwheezie Apr 2014 #162

Locking azurnoir Apr 2014 #163