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In reply to the discussion: Wow. The gun nuts are already using the PA stabbing to push the "guns don't kill people" argument. [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)158. Imposing religious views on enumerated rights is also bad
Especially if the true believers insist that they "know" that Their Way Is The True Way
while insisting that Satan's...err, the NRA's hand is behind every move to oppose them.
It's hardly an original insight, Eric Hoffer described it brilliantly in The True Believer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer
Successful mass movements need not believe in a god, but they must believe in a devil. Hatred unifies the true believers, and "the ideal devil is a foreigner" attributed with nearly supernatural powers of evil.[17] For example, Hitler described Jews as foreign interlopers and moreover an ephemeral Jewishness alleged to taint the German soul was as vehemently condemned as were flesh-and-blood Jews. The hatred of a true believer is actually a disguised self-loathing, as with the condemnation of capitalism by socialists while Russia under the Bolsheviks saw more intensive monopolization of the economy than any other nation in history. Without a devil to hate, mass movements often falter (e.g., Chiang Kai-shek effectively led millions of Chinese during the Japanese occupation of the 1930s and '40s, but quickly fell out of favor once the Japanese were defeated).
The True Believer, Chapter XIV, "Unifying Agents"
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Hate
...Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a God, but never
without belief in a devil. Usually, the strength of a mass movement is proportionate to the
vividness and tangibility of its devil...It is perhaps true that the insight and shrewdness
of the men that know how to set a mass movement in motion, or how to keep one going,
manifest themselves as much in knowing how to pick a worthy enemy as in knowing what
doctrine to emplace and what program to adopt.
without belief in a devil. Usually, the strength of a mass movement is proportionate to the
vividness and tangibility of its devil...It is perhaps true that the insight and shrewdness
of the men that know how to set a mass movement in motion, or how to keep one going,
manifest themselves as much in knowing how to pick a worthy enemy as in knowing what
doctrine to emplace and what program to adopt.
It would seem this also applies to mass movements manqué...
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Wow. The gun nuts are already using the PA stabbing to push the "guns don't kill people" argument. [View all]
DanTex
Apr 2014
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Like in Europe, Canada, Australia, pretty much every developed country except the US.
DanTex
Apr 2014
#10
If that were true, they had the chance of a lifetime in the last two years...
Hip_Flask
Apr 2014
#37
Well, with the GOP in control of congress, not too much movement in the progressive direction
DanTex
Apr 2014
#38
Calling DUers "gun nuts" is rank bigotry, and what they said is eminently sensible...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2014
#42
Well, you are free to alert my post, if you think it is bigoted. In fact, you probably already have.
DanTex
Apr 2014
#44
I doubt that. I imagine your alert failed, and now you are trying to goad me into something else to
DanTex
Apr 2014
#56
Apparently, "gun nuts"= "those that disagree with DanTex". OK by me
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2014
#60
Ooh, a buzzword! "Zampolit"! In italics no less! Wouldn't want anyone to miss it!
DanTex
Apr 2014
#124
Again, everyone who is evenly remotely pro-gun, is a ""full on NRA pro-gun extremist"...
beevul
Apr 2014
#128
In that it case it would depend, but I wouldn't automatically call someone an extremist for that
DanTex
Apr 2014
#140
Then you should be asking people if they support UBC before freely throwing the label...
beevul
Apr 2014
#144
Well, someone can support UBC and still be an extremist if they say sufficiently extremist things.
DanTex
Apr 2014
#148
I'll use "self-appointed witchfinder", instead. Also "bigot". Both apply
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2014
#157
Hey, man, don't let me hold you back! If you like italicized buzzwords, go nuts! Who cares if
DanTex
Apr 2014
#160
Exactly. This tragic event compared with Sandy Hook gives a vivid illustration of
DanTex
Apr 2014
#8
I read some news from another site that it was the principle to tackled him down
oneofthe99
Apr 2014
#15
Said security guard among the injured...principle had an "interaction" with the boy
alcibiades_mystery
Apr 2014
#24
Great point, stupid laws are stupid! Or, as Beavis and Butthead said "I don't like stuff that sucks"
DanTex
Apr 2014
#70
LOL. So you, a full on NRA pro-gun extremist, are here to give me advice on how to
DanTex
Apr 2014
#92
Uh oh, now you're back to the long sentence thing. Don't say I didn't warn you!
DanTex
Apr 2014
#129
Yes, obviously, if we don't get gun violence under control in the next 30 years, it will be my fault
DanTex
Apr 2014
#147
So, we shouldn't even regulate them, like we do alcohol, like we do some drugs...
joeybee12
Apr 2014
#27
Yeah, I get that old wealthy white conservative males don't care about gun violence because it
DanTex
Apr 2014
#43
My racist screed. LOL. Like Bill O'Reilly's "white conservatives males are the real victims" thing
DanTex
Apr 2014
#66
Realization of their ineffectuality is driving many antigun types to act out
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2014
#49
amazing , isn't it? They have no shame, dead babies are just part of the scenery....
bowens43
Apr 2014
#47
Studies and data? Like that less than one percent of gun owners use their guns to harm others?
The Straight Story
Apr 2014
#50
Yes, studies, the kind done by people with credentials and training, and published in peer reviewed
DanTex
Apr 2014
#53
"cost tens of thousands of innocent lives every year." That's what the fetus fetishists say...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2014
#65
Of course they are- but there's no telling a culture warrior they're in error
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2014
#77
Good point. And now back to the gun issue, where there are actual people dying, not fetuses.
DanTex
Apr 2014
#161
Don't ya know if they jump off a bridge it's "bridge violence" I guess.... n/t
EX500rider
Apr 2014
#154
Well, I am a scientist. I am aware with the flaws of the peer review system, but
DanTex
Apr 2014
#135