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Wow. The gun nuts are already using the PA stabbing to push the "guns don't kill people" argument. [View all] DanTex Apr 2014 OP

Making access to guns more difficult saves lives. JaneyVee Apr 2014 #1

Exactly. It's time that the US join the rest of the civilized world DanTex Apr 2014 #2

Like in DC and Chicago right? Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #6

Like in Europe, Canada, Australia, pretty much every developed country except the US. DanTex Apr 2014 #10

Hello, mirror. laundry_queen Apr 2014 #12

My mistake... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #22

As opposed to a real America... LanternWaste Apr 2014 #25

America as it actually is laundry_queen Apr 2014 #31

If that were true, they had the chance of a lifetime in the last two years... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #37

Well, with the GOP in control of congress, not too much movement in the progressive direction DanTex Apr 2014 #38

The dmocrats had it all from 2008 to 2010 yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #46

They actually got a lot done in those two years. DanTex Apr 2014 #48

There were gun laws passed in those years Go Vols Apr 2014 #145

Gosh I hope they didn't hurt themselves....lol. yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #155

While they have the House at the federal level... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #55

Well, there's the usual red state blue state thing. DanTex Apr 2014 #62

And that gets back to the open borders issue already explained to you. jeff47 Apr 2014 #67

Where on DU joeglow3 Apr 2014 #3

For starters... DanTex Apr 2014 #4

Calling DUers "gun nuts" is rank bigotry, and what they said is eminently sensible... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #42

Well, you are free to alert my post, if you think it is bigoted. In fact, you probably already have. DanTex Apr 2014 #44

I haven't, as I prefer to let your posts remain for all to see friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #52

I doubt that. I imagine your alert failed, and now you are trying to goad me into something else to DanTex Apr 2014 #56

Apparently, "gun nuts"= "those that disagree with DanTex". OK by me friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #60

Well, I do disagree with gun nuts, if that's your point. DanTex Apr 2014 #63

Honest math means not being numerically selective... beevul Apr 2014 #83

"you probably wouldn't be pro-NRA to begin with." Ahem: friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #84

Ooh, a buzzword! "Zampolit"! In italics no less! Wouldn't want anyone to miss it! DanTex Apr 2014 #124

Again, everyone who is evenly remotely pro-gun, is a ""full on NRA pro-gun extremist"... beevul Apr 2014 #128

Umm, well if you can find where I said that, that would be pretty interesting. DanTex Apr 2014 #132

I never said you said it. beevul Apr 2014 #134

Well, glad we agree on one thing. DanTex Apr 2014 #136

Ok, add to support for all current federal law... beevul Apr 2014 #137

In that it case it would depend, but I wouldn't automatically call someone an extremist for that DanTex Apr 2014 #140

Then you should be asking people if they support UBC before freely throwing the label... beevul Apr 2014 #144

Well, someone can support UBC and still be an extremist if they say sufficiently extremist things. DanTex Apr 2014 #148

I'll use "self-appointed witchfinder", instead. Also "bigot". Both apply friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #157

Hey, man, don't let me hold you back! If you like italicized buzzwords, go nuts! Who cares if DanTex Apr 2014 #160

Gun Nuts: wercal Apr 2014 #111

Proof that you can shoot guns without being a gun nut. DanTex Apr 2014 #121

Politicians. IveWornAHundredPants Apr 2014 #156

When they resort to namecalling, you know they ain't got nothin'. n/t Skip Intro Apr 2014 #116

I had planned to stay out sarisataka Apr 2014 #54

I don't accuse you of wanting guns for everyone. DanTex Apr 2014 #58

Perhaps it is due to our respective positions on the issue sarisataka Apr 2014 #80

I don't see anyone saying that things would be "fine" without guns. DanTex Apr 2014 #89

Since you ask, sarisataka Apr 2014 #139

Injured but not dead HockeyMom Apr 2014 #5

Exactly. This tragic event compared with Sandy Hook gives a vivid illustration of DanTex Apr 2014 #8

+1000 n/t n2doc Apr 2014 #14

Imagine if Adam Lanza had only had access to a knife (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #7

He wouldn't have blasted his way through the glass doors for one. nt Lex Apr 2014 #17

Yeah, well tough. Oakenshield Apr 2014 #18

Sort of like the argument many are making here on DU B2G Apr 2014 #9

How about we address both? DanTex Apr 2014 #11

You can't ignore guns. kcr Apr 2014 #13

I agree B2G Apr 2014 #21

Who makes that point that only weapons should be focused on, ever? kcr Apr 2014 #34

DU has a forum that is ineffect dedicated to that belief. beevul Apr 2014 #73

The anti mental health forum? kcr Apr 2014 #75

Go down there and start talking about mental health and see what happens. beevul Apr 2014 #78

I'd be willing to bet that I could get away with it kcr Apr 2014 #81

We're getting a bit off track, you asked... beevul Apr 2014 #85

If we're getting off track, you took it there. kcr Apr 2014 #88

Are you having trouble connecting the dots? beevul Apr 2014 #93

If, "trouble connecting the dots", can also mean, "trouble twisting logic" kcr Apr 2014 #100

You asked. beevul Apr 2014 #106

What help is there for those who take quotes out of context? kcr Apr 2014 #108

Face value. beevul Apr 2014 #117

Dishonesty. kcr Apr 2014 #119

Fundamental communication. beevul Apr 2014 #125

Fundamental communication includes context kcr Apr 2014 #149

Well said. Common Sense Party Apr 2014 #35

Fruitless except for reducing the number of dead people. jeff47 Apr 2014 #69

I read some news from another site that it was the principle to tackled him down oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #15

Said security guard among the injured...principle had an "interaction" with the boy alcibiades_mystery Apr 2014 #24

banning alcohol worked out well. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #16

That's a great point. We should have no laws against anything. DanTex Apr 2014 #19

If that was what he said, you might have a point... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #57

Great point, stupid laws are stupid! Or, as Beavis and Butthead said "I don't like stuff that sucks" DanTex Apr 2014 #70

Feel free to take a deep breath.. count to 10... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #71

Wait, you think my goal is to get you to "take me seriously"!?!? DanTex Apr 2014 #76

Here's a free clue... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #82

LOL. So you, a full on NRA pro-gun extremist, are here to give me advice on how to DanTex Apr 2014 #92

I enjoy an energetic and honest debate.. Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #95

Well, I don't see you changing your mind about gun control, period. DanTex Apr 2014 #98

Like I said... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #102

Yes, I agree that our current gun policy is insane. That's a good description. DanTex Apr 2014 #118

Keep on digging... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #122

That's good. Shorter sentences are better for you. Small words, too. DanTex Apr 2014 #126

Classic debating "technique" for those who don't have a point... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #127

Uh oh, now you're back to the long sentence thing. Don't say I didn't warn you! DanTex Apr 2014 #129

Remember this conversation... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #133

Yes, obviously, if we don't get gun violence under control in the next 30 years, it will be my fault DanTex Apr 2014 #147

Everyone who is pro-gun is an extremist... beevul Apr 2014 #97

Well, the Koch Brothers surely don't think they are extremists either. DanTex Apr 2014 #101

Is that the best you can do? beevul Apr 2014 #104

And apparently it was pretty good, since you didn't address any of it. DanTex Apr 2014 #110

There was nothign there to address except baseless innuendo. N/T beevul Apr 2014 #112

See what I mean? DanTex Apr 2014 #114

So, we shouldn't even regulate them, like we do alcohol, like we do some drugs... joeybee12 Apr 2014 #27

Yes, regulating has been generally effective. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #33

Once guns are gotten rid of, it's the sensible next step shanemcg Apr 2014 #20

I live 4 miles from this high school ebbie15644 Apr 2014 #23

Idiots. If it had been a gun there would have been many deaths. Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #26

+1 absolutely...nt joeybee12 Apr 2014 #29

Exactly etherealtruth Apr 2014 #150

This is the first post I saw. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2014 #28

Firepower matters. backscatter712 Apr 2014 #30

The right wants to get rid of cops coljam Apr 2014 #32

Hate to break this to you, IronGate Apr 2014 #51

Violence is everywhere and we as a nation needs to get a handle on it. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #36

They did the same thing on the day Adam Lanza shot up the classroom wryter2000 Apr 2014 #39

I always had a hunch about knives...good to know all that blame on guns Rex Apr 2014 #40

What your hysteria prevents you from understanding MO_Moderate Apr 2014 #41

Yeah, I get that old wealthy white conservative males don't care about gun violence because it DanTex Apr 2014 #43

Apparently, you get nothing MO_Moderate Apr 2014 #59

My racist screed. LOL. Like Bill O'Reilly's "white conservatives males are the real victims" thing DanTex Apr 2014 #66

Hyperbole is not speaking 'truthfully' MO_Moderate Apr 2014 #99

So you call my post racist, and now you complain about hyperbole? What? DanTex Apr 2014 #105

it's GUN NUT LOGIC, DanTex! Skittles Apr 2014 #152

+1 Lex Apr 2014 #72

Realization of their ineffectuality is driving many antigun types to act out friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #49

Good points MO_Moderate Apr 2014 #61

spot on Puzzledtraveller Apr 2014 #120

Exactly so. N/T beevul Apr 2014 #130

Hint - They aren't interested in changing minds... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #64

And the polls are skewed, right? jeff47 Apr 2014 #74

Polls can say whatever you want them to say MO_Moderate Apr 2014 #123

That sound was the point whistling far over your head. jeff47 Apr 2014 #143

well no one accused gun nuts of being smart leftyohiolib Apr 2014 #45

amazing , isn't it? They have no shame, dead babies are just part of the scenery.... bowens43 Apr 2014 #47

Studies and data? Like that less than one percent of gun owners use their guns to harm others? The Straight Story Apr 2014 #50

Yes, studies, the kind done by people with credentials and training, and published in peer reviewed DanTex Apr 2014 #53

"cost tens of thousands of innocent lives every year." That's what the fetus fetishists say... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #65

But those people are wrong. Gun violence victims aren't fetuses, you see... DanTex Apr 2014 #68

Of course they are- but there's no telling a culture warrior they're in error friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #77

Yes, imposing religious views about medical procedures is bad. DanTex Apr 2014 #79

Imposing religious views on enumerated rights is also bad friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #158

Good point. And now back to the gun issue, where there are actual people dying, not fetuses. DanTex Apr 2014 #161

"Tens of thousands" ?? in 2010 it was 11,000. Out of 350,000,000+ The Straight Story Apr 2014 #86

About 30K gun deaths per year, 10K homicide, 20K suicide roughly. DanTex Apr 2014 #90

Ok, so let's ban anything people can kill themsevles with The Straight Story Apr 2014 #91

Well, that's an interesting tangent. DanTex Apr 2014 #94

I tend to view suicide as a personal choice, regardless of method. beevul Apr 2014 #103

I imagine that view is motivated primarily by your gun politics. DanTex Apr 2014 #107

Thats quite an imagination you have. beevul Apr 2014 #113

The issue is no chance to change one's mind. jeff47 Apr 2014 #109

Don't ya know if they jump off a bridge it's "bridge violence" I guess.... n/t EX500rider Apr 2014 #154

You are obssessed with peer reviewed studies. MicaelS Apr 2014 #131

Well, I am a scientist. I am aware with the flaws of the peer review system, but DanTex Apr 2014 #135

I most assuredly am not going to toss out all peer reviewed studies. MicaelS Apr 2014 #146

Can't attack you with a knife from 10 feet away HockeyMom Apr 2014 #87

There was a Mythbusters episode about that... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #96

The number you are looking for is sarisataka Apr 2014 #142

Hey, that's true in Opposite World frazzled Apr 2014 #115

Of course they are Packerowner740 Apr 2014 #138

Trashing thread. closeupready Apr 2014 #141

that's what happens when you're a paranoid asshole Skittles Apr 2014 #151

The nutters aren't even consistent in their illogic: According to them, now *everyone needs knives!* villager Apr 2014 #153

I've no doubt whatsoever you believe someone said that.... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #159

Gee, I would think gwheezie Apr 2014 #162

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