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Tommy_Carcetti

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23. 1954 didn't really matter all that much.

Wed Apr 9, 2014, 05:57 PM

Apr 2014

Same Soviet boss all around. It would be like giving Michigan's upper peninsula to Wisconsin.....yeah, there'd be some changes locally, but it's all the same country. And in a strong authoritarian society like the Soviet Union, local control mattered even less.

Regarding your "velvet divorce" proposal, for 22 years post Soviet fall there was no serious talk of splitting up the country, and certainly no talk of ceding Eastern Ukraine to Russia (which is what the Russians ultimately want). It's only when the Ukrainian government is perceived to be the weakest (which honestly, in its interim condition before a new President can be elected, it is) that there's suddenly been talk of "secession" fueled by Russian interests.

Russia knows exactly what it's doing, and it know that this is the best time to make its move on Ukrainian territory. This crisis has been created entirely by Russia and for Russia.

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Donetsk, Kharkiv, declare independence from Ukraine. [View all] MattSh Apr 2014 OP

Hmm.."somebody told me here this would not escalate nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #1

I had several people tell me I was wrong about it escalating davidpdx Apr 2014 #3

Well, we are getting closer to the point of decision for NATO nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #9

Yup... joshcryer Apr 2014 #4

Western Ukraine should pre-empt them and declare a Republic of Ruthenia Recursion Apr 2014 #2

Won't happen. MattSh Apr 2014 #6

Let's face it--the Ukraine is like Czechoxlovakia--it needs a Velvet Divorce. eridani Apr 2014 #5

The Russians have no interest in allying with Eastern Ukraine. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #8

So just never mind that Crimeans had no choice about joining the Ukraine eridani Apr 2014 #11

Again, that was an internal re-organziation within the Soviet Union. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #17

And the '54 annexation was even less of an expression of the will of the people eridani Apr 2014 #22

1954 didn't really matter all that much. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #23

Funny how the flags of "Independent" Donetsk and Khrakiv look *exactly* like that of Russia. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #7

And a lot of the flags at the Kiev demonstrations... MattSh Apr 2014 #15

So you're saying what? Ukraine wants to join 1930s Nazi Germany? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #18

That Is A Good Question, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #19

That's quite a leap. MattSh Apr 2014 #24

Really? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #25

Yeah, right... joeybee12 Apr 2014 #20

Yet another good reason we should stay the hell out of the squabble. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #10

What's good for the goose... Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #12

Not Quite Accurate, Sir: 'Small Group Of Protesters Issue Manifesto' Would Be More Like It The Magistrate Apr 2014 #13

I'm posting what the news story says... MattSh Apr 2014 #14

'Pro-Russians call east Ukraine region independent' Was the Headline, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #16

+1 and also the Nazi reference was his also... joeybee12 Apr 2014 #21