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33. You might try a little Aikido.

Reply to MillennialDem (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 9, 2014, 11:11 PM

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Today's school stabbings: on the lethality of knives vs. guns [View all] kwassa Apr 2014 OP

AMEN, Kwassa..... Ecumenist Apr 2014 #1

Guns will never be banned in America, which is not to say I'm totally convinced they should not be.. Threedifferentones Apr 2014 #95

Japan has a suicide rate almost twice that of the US tolkien90 Apr 2014 #143

It's hard to take those questions seriously, the cultural answers seem pretty obvious. Threedifferentones Apr 2014 #178

Sometimes the knife is more lethal, sometimes the gun. ManiacJoe Apr 2014 #2

Yes, but a gun makes it easier.... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2014 #3

Given most of the victims were children, yes easily. MillennialDem Apr 2014 #9

that is absurd on its face dsc Apr 2014 #14

Yep. With a knife... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2014 #35

Not quite true Separation Apr 2014 #80

Yes, quite true. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #166

28-0 gratuitous Apr 2014 #43

Congratulations. ManiacJoe Apr 2014 #45

Newtown was anecdotal? gratuitous Apr 2014 #70

By your use, yes, it is anecdotal. ManiacJoe Apr 2014 #71

Uh huh gratuitous Apr 2014 #73

But more often the gun. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #165

He stabbed 21 people. femmocrat Apr 2014 #4

Depends on the person with the knife and what kind of knife and where the wound is. Mrdrboi Apr 2014 #5

Those stabbed were close to the one stabbing, you don't have to be close to shoot and kill someone. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #7

Nonsense. One has much greater opportunity to defend against a knife attack. kwassa Apr 2014 #8

There is no unarmed defense against a knife other than your feet (running) MillennialDem Apr 2014 #10

that is baldly false dsc Apr 2014 #15

That is just delaying the inevitable. If someone is determined to kill you with a knife a book is MillennialDem Apr 2014 #16

The knife attack lasted approximately 5 minutes. blue neen Apr 2014 #18

it doesn't take much time for a resource officer to arrive on the scene dsc Apr 2014 #20

There's a lot of things you can use in a school setting oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #48

You might try a little Aikido. pangaia Apr 2014 #33

Don't be silly... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #64

That's how I look in the morning, also. pangaia Apr 2014 #65

The major artery? Funny, I don't remember that one from anatomy classes. Thor_MN Apr 2014 #44

that is just silly - the gun will kill from across the room/campus DrDan Apr 2014 #75

Total bullshit HERVEPA Apr 2014 #112

When knives can fire bullets, then yes we can treat knives the same. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #6

A single knife strike can be lethal and multiple gunshot wounds can be survivable MillennialDem Apr 2014 #12

How likely is a mass stabbing going to kill 20 people AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #13

Said nothing about their efficiency in a MASS killing, just that many people here have MillennialDem Apr 2014 #17

Well, if I have an AR-15 and use it on a crowd AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #19

Again, not talking about what is better at killing MORE people quickly - just talking MillennialDem Apr 2014 #21

Yeah but if you're careful enough you can manage to kill one person with anything AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #24

When did I say determing regulations? I think guns should be heavily regulated and knives well - MillennialDem Apr 2014 #27

I'm not sure what your contention is then? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #28

I said so already MillennialDem Apr 2014 #32

That actually is true AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #37

Not really - mostly about placement (followed by skill of user and size of weapon) MillennialDem Apr 2014 #39

Being that most people aren't trained martial artist AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #40

I agree what you're saying that many can underestimate the damage it can do but oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author lob1 Apr 2014 #55

Oh, for fuck's sake... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #34

Strawman. MillennialDem Apr 2014 #38

How so? Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #41

Agreed. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #62

Cancer can be survivable and you can die from a cold. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #167

Well, there are ballistic knives sakabatou Apr 2014 #22

They don't fire bullets though. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #25

That's true sakabatou Apr 2014 #26

Question is - should we blame the knife for the crime? The Straight Story Apr 2014 #11

Guns are not sentient beings that can be blamed for what they're used for AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #29

Ok, so what new regulations would you like to add (nt) The Straight Story Apr 2014 #31

Well first of all AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #36

I've seen many a bloody fight started with words. Shemp Howard Apr 2014 #46

The problem with what you're saying is AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #52

Your point failed to get delivered, because you put up a ridiculous strawman muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #63

"A law to register all guns and their sales would help decrease the murders." Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #98

By cutting down the supply of guns to those who are not allowed to have them muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #104

So... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #114

No, the people who sell them guns will be restrained by having to show they still have the guns muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #115

Ohhh... That's an entirely different animal right there... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #121

Yes - the idea would be implement the 'well-regulated' part of the 2nd amendment muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #135

I don't think you understand the meaning of 'well regulated ' Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #136

So you think the requirements about cars are 'onerous' or 'excessive' too, I take it muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #139

Just to be clear... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #140

Yes (nt) muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #141

That's quite a leap... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #142

Nonsense. Pure unadulterated nonsense. beevul Apr 2014 #144

The point of a gun is to use it to kill another member of the public muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #147

Thats your opinion. beevul Apr 2014 #156

It's called a Statutory Off Road Notification muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #159

Your error here is assuming that everyone who kills someone is hell-bent on committing murder. DanTex Apr 2014 #118

We are talking about registration... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #119

Registration would reduce irresponsible gun ownership and cut down DanTex Apr 2014 #123

It is regulated. Have you never heard of the "fighting words doctrine"? Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #168

You're proposing banning 100 year old technology... beevul Apr 2014 #53

I wasn't aware that semi-automatic assault rifles were 100 years old... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #54

I do get so tired of hearing "gun lobby"... beevul Apr 2014 #56

The NRA and arms manufacturers are not empowered by voters AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #57

The rest of the world is not us... beevul Apr 2014 #58

We should be like the rest of the world (sometimes) AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #59

It isn't quite as simple as you make it out to be. beevul Apr 2014 #60

$$$ AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #61

And yet it isn't. beevul Apr 2014 #68

Why do you need an assault weapon? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #69

Did I say I needed one? beevul Apr 2014 #76

So if I want a fully automatic machine gun, should I be able to get one if I'm so inclined? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #84

You can, actually, yes. beevul Apr 2014 #86

Auto weapons AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #87

And like I said... beevul Apr 2014 #137

GUNS GUNS GUNS AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #160

Check out a Remington Model 8 in .35. Semi-auto from 1908. Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #78

And largely funded by the Koch brothers and others of their ilk. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #170

So they are 65 year old technology hack89 Apr 2014 #77

No, they still need to be restricted. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #83

Why? hack89 Apr 2014 #88

Mass shootings with semi-auto weapons AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #89

So you are including handguns now? hack89 Apr 2014 #90

Yeah, absolutely. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #91

I am always amazed how out of touch with American cultural and political reality hack89 Apr 2014 #92

Even if it won't ever happen, banning most guns would work. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #99

Most impractical fantasy "solutions" work - that's the beauty of not being constrained by reality. hack89 Apr 2014 #101

When the only workable solution won't happen, you have a problem. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #103

But it is not the only workable solution. It is the only ACCEPTABLE (to you) solution. hack89 Apr 2014 #105

It's the only thing that would prevent these rampages and violent incidents AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #106

Why don't we give mentally ill people real healthcare? hack89 Apr 2014 #107

So you'd give a mentally ill person intreatment an AR-15? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #108

Well, we can do what NY does and create a database of mentally ill people hack89 Apr 2014 #110

That would inringe too much on privacy I think AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #111

I thought New York was held up as a model state for gun control hack89 Apr 2014 #113

Well, banning handguns, or at least severely restricting access to them, DanTex Apr 2014 #117

Now we get back to my original comment on ignoring American political and cultural realities. hack89 Apr 2014 #122

I'm not sure where you get the idea that I'm ignoring them. I am in fact conceding them: DanTex Apr 2014 #124

True. nt hack89 Apr 2014 #126

I think patients have a right to privacy AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #157

AWBs are feel good security theater hack89 Apr 2014 #163

In other words, you just need tighter laws and regulations. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #174

No. hack89 Apr 2014 #177

You need laws that actually would be effective AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #181

No again. That line was drawn in 1934 and I support it. hack89 Apr 2014 #183

Most anyone can. Or else they wouldn't sell them at Wal-Marts :P AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #184

So you want to ban handguns and rifles. OK hack89 Apr 2014 #186

I think we should ban semi auto assault rifles and handguns AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #187

You want to ban the most popular guns in America - guns that have been sold for decades. hack89 Apr 2014 #188

We've seen a dramatic increase of mass shootings with these guns... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #189

Other criminologists disagree hack89 Apr 2014 #190

The study I give is more recent and in-depth AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #191

ok nt hack89 Apr 2014 #192

So just try to moderate yourself once and awhile, okay? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #193

Yes Mom hack89 Apr 2014 #194

Oh dear AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #197

Actually no - this is twice that you have dodged my question. nt hack89 Apr 2014 #198

I agree about the privacy thing. DanTex Apr 2014 #120

Requiring a fire arms owners identity card is a good idea hack89 Apr 2014 #125

Well, just picking out the Lanzas, Holmeses, and Loughners would be a pretty good start. DanTex Apr 2014 #127

Make the requirements for a Firearms Owner ID card the same as CCW hack89 Apr 2014 #128

Wow! Agreement! Awesome! DanTex Apr 2014 #129

The requirements the same as which CCW law? oneshooter Apr 2014 #195

States are still able to set their own standards (adhering to Peruta of course) hack89 Apr 2014 #196

Yeah, exactly my point. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #158

I could write an entire book of a post on that subject. n/t Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #169

"Guns deserve to be more highly regulated due to their more lethal nature." Jenoch Apr 2014 #23

Not true. In most states it's against the law to carry a knife that big in public, but just about Hoyt Apr 2014 #130

You responded to my post with a non-sequiter. Jenoch Apr 2014 #132

I wanted to say this tonight but was not brave enough. Glad you did. Food for thought eh? applegrove Apr 2014 #30

I don't post much... Tanta Apr 2014 #42

My gun humping brother has already sent me an email saying "see, mass stabbings are real. . . Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #47

In many states, it is illegal to carry a knife that large, yet a gun or two strapped to some yahoo Hoyt Apr 2014 #50

Very true many states have a 3 or 4 inch limit on blade size unless the person is camping oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Apr 2014 #66

If he had 2 guns rather than 2 knives, chances are many of those 24 would be dead and Fla Dem Apr 2014 #67

what is absolutely absurd is G_j Apr 2014 #72

and stopped by a tackly by the principal DrDan Apr 2014 #74

Knives can be just as deadly. Separation Apr 2014 #79

No, they can't. You haven't read the thread. kwassa Apr 2014 #81

Can you explain 29 dead, 140 wounded? Separation Apr 2014 #82

what incident are you referring to? kwassa Apr 2014 #149

Eight highly trained and coordinated knife wielding terrorists. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #171

No need to google it, many fanciers have posted about that ONE incident to support their gun love. Hoyt Apr 2014 #131

LMGTFY Separation Apr 2014 #133

That Asian stabbing incident you are referring to wasn't in Japan Art_from_Ark Apr 2014 #85

And the connection the OP makes Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #94

Oh, yes it does. kwassa Apr 2014 #145

Is your argument based on Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #146

My argument is based on knives vs. guns kwassa Apr 2014 #148

With a gun you can miss................... oneshooter Apr 2014 #151

Indiana Jones has the answer to this argument. kwassa Apr 2014 #152

UnRec Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #93

rec (the OP, of course) - increased availability certainly plays a role DrDan Apr 2014 #96

It hasn't increased Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #109

Never waste a crisis eh? Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #97

Hopefully they use this crisurtunity to to take away all guns Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #100

Most guns should be banned AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #102

And how would you go about doing this? n/t oneshooter Apr 2014 #116

Is Molon Labe being a law-abiding citizen? Hoyt Apr 2014 #134

Banning guns you mean? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #161

Yes, how would you go about doing it. n/t oneshooter Apr 2014 #175

Taxing the hell out of them for starters AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #176

And then? n/t oneshooter Apr 2014 #179

I already gave you a link on it. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #182

Asked around on Reddit, and was given this link AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #180

In other words, you disagree with the party platform, and you're an anti-gun extremist... beevul Apr 2014 #138

I do disagree with the politicians (largely) on this issue AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #162

Interesting. So anyone who disagrees with a 5-4 Scalia decision is now an anti-gun extremist. DanTex Apr 2014 #164

Exactly my thoughts :) AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #185

Your argument is based on chance Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #150

What the hell are you talking about? kwassa Apr 2014 #153

Well, just on the surface Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #154

If several had died, it would not affect my argument. kwassa Apr 2014 #155

This should be its own seperate post. n/t Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #172

the DIFFERENCE between LIFE and DEATH ... napkinz Apr 2014 #173