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30. Just out of curiosity

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Thu Apr 10, 2014, 03:37 AM

Apr 2014

Does anyone have any ideas on how we could make ourselves able to actually reinforce and defend Europe, if it came down to that?

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We are not capable of truly reinforcing Eastern Europe, math is not on our side [View all] AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 OP

For the record AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #1

I dont mean to be condescending or anything like that darkangel218 Apr 2014 #47

Everything I posted is open source AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #66

Ahh okay, thanks darkangel218 Apr 2014 #95

The only people who will get mad are Janes Recursion Apr 2014 #109

LOL AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #110

They still have the hull numbers on the USN's LCAC fleet wrong Recursion Apr 2014 #112

'Homeland Defense/Civil Disorder' mission? House of Roberts Apr 2014 #2

2012 AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #7

Thanks Obama? House of Roberts Apr 2014 #27

we won't have a shooting war with russia. nt dionysus Apr 2014 #3

I agree AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #10

Excellent analysis BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #4

Unsure AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #11

Well, it wouldn't be just us. And a war is not all army. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #5

No it wouldn't be all Army AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #9

Again, though, it would be a NATO effort to defend Poland or Latvia or whatever. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #17

And what NATO forces are you talking about AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #21

We are not going to war for Ukraine, either. I'm talking about TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #26

A breakdown of NATO shows it is strong enough to deter Russia AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #31

Honestly there is only one fear AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #34

Analyst BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #19

Depends AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #24

Assumptions are wrong 4Q2u2 Apr 2014 #132

Are you for real? AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #134

Am I for Real 4Q2u2 Apr 2014 #135

Spin up fast? AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #137

What happened to 2ACR? Adsos Letter Apr 2014 #6

2ACR AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #8

Thanks! Where are they posted in Germany, now that border duty isn't a thing? Adsos Letter Apr 2014 #12

Vilseck AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #13

Hah! And their arty FOs are probably stuck adjusting fire for every unit that Adsos Letter Apr 2014 #16

Curiously, my old battalion from Vietnam recently was reactivated with a different division pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #29

If NATO goes to war against Russia...the human race may not survive davidn3600 Apr 2014 #14

You assume the Russians would go nuclear. They won't, and it is Western misunderstanding AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #18

If Russia invades a NATO nation....we are at war davidn3600 Apr 2014 #22

We are not is disagreement about what happens IF AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #25

If a confrontation erupted with Russia now.... idendoit Apr 2014 #92

You seem to assume that NATO would gain Air Superiority AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #97

Russian pilots are trained not to take the initiative. idendoit Apr 2014 #98

Because there is a military profile for the military AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #100

Thank you for your service. idendoit Apr 2014 #102

That is definitely an advantage AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #103

We never were... TreasonousBastard Apr 2014 #15

You were able to get weed? Adsos Letter Apr 2014 #20

You're right... TreasonousBastard Apr 2014 #28

Just adding some grain to the grist nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #23

Just out of curiosity AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #30

Right now AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #32

Kind of a frightening thought in a way AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #33

We have the manpower AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #35

No one would use nukes? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #36

Why would it be logical? AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #37

Well, if you feel like you're going to be defeated and taken over AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #40

But launching nukes would kill your own people AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #41

There's been a lot of close calls, no? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #42

There were two close calls in 50 years AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #44

Well there was the Norwegian incident in the 90s AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #45

I don't mean to nitpick AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #46

They weren't close calls? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #48

Putin put 'limited' nuclear strikes into the Russian playbook Bosonic Apr 2014 #50

NATO "reenforcing Eastern EU" = Nukes joshcryer Apr 2014 #38

The NATO commander AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #39

In NATO states. joshcryer Apr 2014 #43

The Russians wouldn't be able to hit the US with nukes? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #49

No, ABM and SBIRS are perfected. joshcryer Apr 2014 #51

What if they fired nukes high enough in the atmosphere AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #52

I am saying simply US can destroy them all. joshcryer Apr 2014 #53

But I don't see how we could destroy either nukes denotated in the atmosphere AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #54

Atmo nukes, or "Strangelove" nukes aren't considered. joshcryer Apr 2014 #56

Well, if I may ask, what's your sources? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #57

complete and utter bullshit shaayecanaan Apr 2014 #62

Technology has increased exponentially... joshcryer Apr 2014 #81

They're not shaayecanaan Apr 2014 #101

I am highly dubious of the 99.9% claim Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #130

Would not bet on that myself BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #74

I am not as sanguine about ABM systems Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #82

Also BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #116

what do you think of this scenario politicman Apr 2014 #60

On the bright side CFLDem Apr 2014 #65

All this discussion about what various leaders in the US and Russia would do has been-- eridani Apr 2014 #55

I doubt either want war. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #58

I think that we are paying way to much attention to Putin avebury Apr 2014 #59

You seem to be planning to fight WW3 muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #61

I am not planning or supporting anything. AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #67

The OP is too long and boring to read carefully muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #68

Actually, I am not talking about that at all. AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #70

That OP was an informative and very interesting read. Desert805 Apr 2014 #76

Strangely enough, no, the dispostion of every brigade in the US army is not interesting muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #79

WTH? AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #85

I am not saying you are advocating total war; I'm saying you're analysing it muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #88

Ok AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #91

Its your scenario of sending massive numbers of troops to Ukraine - or Russia! - in the OP muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #93

No I am not. AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #94

That quote is from your OP. muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #96

No AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #99

I'm afraid of war breaking out any minute now... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #69

But that's just on DU pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #71

Nah, I deeply am afraid. I don't want to see some full-scale war break out. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #73

The prospect of war is still pretty remote pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #78

My fear is rationality will fly out the window as tensions rise. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #122

I already knew that... shaayecanaan Apr 2014 #63

"What chance do they have against a great power"...seriously? TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #64

Russia is not a great military power hack89 Apr 2014 #72

I agree Russia is not a first rate military power AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #75

Hopefully we will never have to find out. nt hack89 Apr 2014 #77

Devils advocate nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #108

Genghis Khan could shaayecanaan Apr 2014 #111

I know, but just wanted to point out that Afghanistan is exactly where empires nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #115

I like this RobertEarl Apr 2014 #80

This is my first thought as well NobodyHere Apr 2014 #84

How does China figure into this? Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #83

China remains AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #86

Thank you for your exteremly informative Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #127

carrier groups are great for mobility, but not so great against a whole enemy country politicman Apr 2014 #89

Carriers are great as a mobile projection of power Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #126

Can China's carrier steam under its own power yet? Recursion Apr 2014 #105

It is sheer logistics and Sealift AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #107

What I read about the carrier Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #125

So, the joke is, China doesn't need a carrier Recursion Apr 2014 #129

Well, it is the PR Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #131

It definitely did Recursion Apr 2014 #133

China will take Taiwan without a shot being fired LittleBlue Apr 2014 #117

This is more likely AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #119

By the way, your OP is superb LittleBlue Apr 2014 #120

Thank you very much AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #121

Mao said it to Kissinger Recursion Apr 2014 #124

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Apr 2014 #87

Even at the height of the Cold War.... idendoit Apr 2014 #90

The Corps gets ignored again... Recursion Apr 2014 #104

Marine Corps was not ignored AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #106

Correct but Separation Apr 2014 #113

I don't think we could ever really make the armed forces able to defend Europe AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #123

Yes, but could we arm a resistance to the teeth? Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #114

Since the Russians AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #118

No expert here PATRICK Apr 2014 #128

Good. Maybe diplomacy and cooler heads will prevail. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #136