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AcertainLiz

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59. We should be like the rest of the world (sometimes)

Thu Apr 10, 2014, 03:44 AM

Apr 2014

"Its the voters that vote people out of office. See Colorado where the nra was outspent 5 to 1 by Bloomberg, yet the recall was successful in a solid blue district. "

Most people don't vote, and votes are based on how much money you have, this has been confirmed by the Supreme Court over and over again. Arms dealers and corporations make a killing selling these weapons to American citizens.

"That's your opinion. Good luck forcing anyone other than yourself to live according to it. "

So we can't ban people from having grenades and suitcase nukes I guess...

"The rest of the world is not us, and tens of millions of people do not want to be "the rest of the world" in that context, many of whom are Democrats. Again, see Colorado. "

Colorado is a state that has recently passed really strict gun control laws, so what's your point there? That only backs me up.

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Today's school stabbings: on the lethality of knives vs. guns [View all] kwassa Apr 2014 OP

AMEN, Kwassa..... Ecumenist Apr 2014 #1

Guns will never be banned in America, which is not to say I'm totally convinced they should not be.. Threedifferentones Apr 2014 #95

Japan has a suicide rate almost twice that of the US tolkien90 Apr 2014 #143

It's hard to take those questions seriously, the cultural answers seem pretty obvious. Threedifferentones Apr 2014 #178

Sometimes the knife is more lethal, sometimes the gun. ManiacJoe Apr 2014 #2

Yes, but a gun makes it easier.... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2014 #3

Given most of the victims were children, yes easily. MillennialDem Apr 2014 #9

that is absurd on its face dsc Apr 2014 #14

Yep. With a knife... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2014 #35

Not quite true Separation Apr 2014 #80

Yes, quite true. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #166

28-0 gratuitous Apr 2014 #43

Congratulations. ManiacJoe Apr 2014 #45

Newtown was anecdotal? gratuitous Apr 2014 #70

By your use, yes, it is anecdotal. ManiacJoe Apr 2014 #71

Uh huh gratuitous Apr 2014 #73

But more often the gun. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #165

He stabbed 21 people. femmocrat Apr 2014 #4

Depends on the person with the knife and what kind of knife and where the wound is. Mrdrboi Apr 2014 #5

Those stabbed were close to the one stabbing, you don't have to be close to shoot and kill someone. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #7

Nonsense. One has much greater opportunity to defend against a knife attack. kwassa Apr 2014 #8

There is no unarmed defense against a knife other than your feet (running) MillennialDem Apr 2014 #10

that is baldly false dsc Apr 2014 #15

That is just delaying the inevitable. If someone is determined to kill you with a knife a book is MillennialDem Apr 2014 #16

The knife attack lasted approximately 5 minutes. blue neen Apr 2014 #18

it doesn't take much time for a resource officer to arrive on the scene dsc Apr 2014 #20

There's a lot of things you can use in a school setting oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #48

You might try a little Aikido. pangaia Apr 2014 #33

Don't be silly... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #64

That's how I look in the morning, also. pangaia Apr 2014 #65

The major artery? Funny, I don't remember that one from anatomy classes. Thor_MN Apr 2014 #44

that is just silly - the gun will kill from across the room/campus DrDan Apr 2014 #75

Total bullshit HERVEPA Apr 2014 #112

When knives can fire bullets, then yes we can treat knives the same. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #6

A single knife strike can be lethal and multiple gunshot wounds can be survivable MillennialDem Apr 2014 #12

How likely is a mass stabbing going to kill 20 people AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #13

Said nothing about their efficiency in a MASS killing, just that many people here have MillennialDem Apr 2014 #17

Well, if I have an AR-15 and use it on a crowd AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #19

Again, not talking about what is better at killing MORE people quickly - just talking MillennialDem Apr 2014 #21

Yeah but if you're careful enough you can manage to kill one person with anything AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #24

When did I say determing regulations? I think guns should be heavily regulated and knives well - MillennialDem Apr 2014 #27

I'm not sure what your contention is then? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #28

I said so already MillennialDem Apr 2014 #32

That actually is true AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #37

Not really - mostly about placement (followed by skill of user and size of weapon) MillennialDem Apr 2014 #39

Being that most people aren't trained martial artist AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #40

I agree what you're saying that many can underestimate the damage it can do but oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author lob1 Apr 2014 #55

Oh, for fuck's sake... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #34

Strawman. MillennialDem Apr 2014 #38

How so? Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #41

Agreed. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #62

Cancer can be survivable and you can die from a cold. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #167

Well, there are ballistic knives sakabatou Apr 2014 #22

They don't fire bullets though. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #25

That's true sakabatou Apr 2014 #26

Question is - should we blame the knife for the crime? The Straight Story Apr 2014 #11

Guns are not sentient beings that can be blamed for what they're used for AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #29

Ok, so what new regulations would you like to add (nt) The Straight Story Apr 2014 #31

Well first of all AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #36

I've seen many a bloody fight started with words. Shemp Howard Apr 2014 #46

The problem with what you're saying is AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #52

Your point failed to get delivered, because you put up a ridiculous strawman muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #63

"A law to register all guns and their sales would help decrease the murders." Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #98

By cutting down the supply of guns to those who are not allowed to have them muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #104

So... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #114

No, the people who sell them guns will be restrained by having to show they still have the guns muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #115

Ohhh... That's an entirely different animal right there... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #121

Yes - the idea would be implement the 'well-regulated' part of the 2nd amendment muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #135

I don't think you understand the meaning of 'well regulated ' Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #136

So you think the requirements about cars are 'onerous' or 'excessive' too, I take it muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #139

Just to be clear... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #140

Yes (nt) muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #141

That's quite a leap... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #142

Nonsense. Pure unadulterated nonsense. beevul Apr 2014 #144

The point of a gun is to use it to kill another member of the public muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #147

Thats your opinion. beevul Apr 2014 #156

It's called a Statutory Off Road Notification muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #159

Your error here is assuming that everyone who kills someone is hell-bent on committing murder. DanTex Apr 2014 #118

We are talking about registration... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #119

Registration would reduce irresponsible gun ownership and cut down DanTex Apr 2014 #123

It is regulated. Have you never heard of the "fighting words doctrine"? Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #168

You're proposing banning 100 year old technology... beevul Apr 2014 #53

I wasn't aware that semi-automatic assault rifles were 100 years old... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #54

I do get so tired of hearing "gun lobby"... beevul Apr 2014 #56

The NRA and arms manufacturers are not empowered by voters AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #57

The rest of the world is not us... beevul Apr 2014 #58

We should be like the rest of the world (sometimes) AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #59

It isn't quite as simple as you make it out to be. beevul Apr 2014 #60

$$$ AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #61

And yet it isn't. beevul Apr 2014 #68

Why do you need an assault weapon? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #69

Did I say I needed one? beevul Apr 2014 #76

So if I want a fully automatic machine gun, should I be able to get one if I'm so inclined? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #84

You can, actually, yes. beevul Apr 2014 #86

Auto weapons AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #87

And like I said... beevul Apr 2014 #137

GUNS GUNS GUNS AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #160

Check out a Remington Model 8 in .35. Semi-auto from 1908. Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #78

And largely funded by the Koch brothers and others of their ilk. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #170

So they are 65 year old technology hack89 Apr 2014 #77

No, they still need to be restricted. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #83

Why? hack89 Apr 2014 #88

Mass shootings with semi-auto weapons AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #89

So you are including handguns now? hack89 Apr 2014 #90

Yeah, absolutely. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #91

I am always amazed how out of touch with American cultural and political reality hack89 Apr 2014 #92

Even if it won't ever happen, banning most guns would work. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #99

Most impractical fantasy "solutions" work - that's the beauty of not being constrained by reality. hack89 Apr 2014 #101

When the only workable solution won't happen, you have a problem. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #103

But it is not the only workable solution. It is the only ACCEPTABLE (to you) solution. hack89 Apr 2014 #105

It's the only thing that would prevent these rampages and violent incidents AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #106

Why don't we give mentally ill people real healthcare? hack89 Apr 2014 #107

So you'd give a mentally ill person intreatment an AR-15? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #108

Well, we can do what NY does and create a database of mentally ill people hack89 Apr 2014 #110

That would inringe too much on privacy I think AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #111

I thought New York was held up as a model state for gun control hack89 Apr 2014 #113

Well, banning handguns, or at least severely restricting access to them, DanTex Apr 2014 #117

Now we get back to my original comment on ignoring American political and cultural realities. hack89 Apr 2014 #122

I'm not sure where you get the idea that I'm ignoring them. I am in fact conceding them: DanTex Apr 2014 #124

True. nt hack89 Apr 2014 #126

I think patients have a right to privacy AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #157

AWBs are feel good security theater hack89 Apr 2014 #163

In other words, you just need tighter laws and regulations. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #174

No. hack89 Apr 2014 #177

You need laws that actually would be effective AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #181

No again. That line was drawn in 1934 and I support it. hack89 Apr 2014 #183

Most anyone can. Or else they wouldn't sell them at Wal-Marts :P AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #184

So you want to ban handguns and rifles. OK hack89 Apr 2014 #186

I think we should ban semi auto assault rifles and handguns AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #187

You want to ban the most popular guns in America - guns that have been sold for decades. hack89 Apr 2014 #188

We've seen a dramatic increase of mass shootings with these guns... AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #189

Other criminologists disagree hack89 Apr 2014 #190

The study I give is more recent and in-depth AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #191

ok nt hack89 Apr 2014 #192

So just try to moderate yourself once and awhile, okay? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #193

Yes Mom hack89 Apr 2014 #194

Oh dear AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #197

Actually no - this is twice that you have dodged my question. nt hack89 Apr 2014 #198

I agree about the privacy thing. DanTex Apr 2014 #120

Requiring a fire arms owners identity card is a good idea hack89 Apr 2014 #125

Well, just picking out the Lanzas, Holmeses, and Loughners would be a pretty good start. DanTex Apr 2014 #127

Make the requirements for a Firearms Owner ID card the same as CCW hack89 Apr 2014 #128

Wow! Agreement! Awesome! DanTex Apr 2014 #129

The requirements the same as which CCW law? oneshooter Apr 2014 #195

States are still able to set their own standards (adhering to Peruta of course) hack89 Apr 2014 #196

Yeah, exactly my point. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #158

I could write an entire book of a post on that subject. n/t Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #169

"Guns deserve to be more highly regulated due to their more lethal nature." Jenoch Apr 2014 #23

Not true. In most states it's against the law to carry a knife that big in public, but just about Hoyt Apr 2014 #130

You responded to my post with a non-sequiter. Jenoch Apr 2014 #132

I wanted to say this tonight but was not brave enough. Glad you did. Food for thought eh? applegrove Apr 2014 #30

I don't post much... Tanta Apr 2014 #42

My gun humping brother has already sent me an email saying "see, mass stabbings are real. . . Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #47

In many states, it is illegal to carry a knife that large, yet a gun or two strapped to some yahoo Hoyt Apr 2014 #50

Very true many states have a 3 or 4 inch limit on blade size unless the person is camping oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Apr 2014 #66

If he had 2 guns rather than 2 knives, chances are many of those 24 would be dead and Fla Dem Apr 2014 #67

what is absolutely absurd is G_j Apr 2014 #72

and stopped by a tackly by the principal DrDan Apr 2014 #74

Knives can be just as deadly. Separation Apr 2014 #79

No, they can't. You haven't read the thread. kwassa Apr 2014 #81

Can you explain 29 dead, 140 wounded? Separation Apr 2014 #82

what incident are you referring to? kwassa Apr 2014 #149

Eight highly trained and coordinated knife wielding terrorists. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #171

No need to google it, many fanciers have posted about that ONE incident to support their gun love. Hoyt Apr 2014 #131

LMGTFY Separation Apr 2014 #133

That Asian stabbing incident you are referring to wasn't in Japan Art_from_Ark Apr 2014 #85

And the connection the OP makes Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #94

Oh, yes it does. kwassa Apr 2014 #145

Is your argument based on Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #146

My argument is based on knives vs. guns kwassa Apr 2014 #148

With a gun you can miss................... oneshooter Apr 2014 #151

Indiana Jones has the answer to this argument. kwassa Apr 2014 #152

UnRec Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #93

rec (the OP, of course) - increased availability certainly plays a role DrDan Apr 2014 #96

It hasn't increased Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #109

Never waste a crisis eh? Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #97

Hopefully they use this crisurtunity to to take away all guns Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #100

Most guns should be banned AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #102

And how would you go about doing this? n/t oneshooter Apr 2014 #116

Is Molon Labe being a law-abiding citizen? Hoyt Apr 2014 #134

Banning guns you mean? AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #161

Yes, how would you go about doing it. n/t oneshooter Apr 2014 #175

Taxing the hell out of them for starters AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #176

And then? n/t oneshooter Apr 2014 #179

I already gave you a link on it. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #182

Asked around on Reddit, and was given this link AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #180

In other words, you disagree with the party platform, and you're an anti-gun extremist... beevul Apr 2014 #138

I do disagree with the politicians (largely) on this issue AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #162

Interesting. So anyone who disagrees with a 5-4 Scalia decision is now an anti-gun extremist. DanTex Apr 2014 #164

Exactly my thoughts :) AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #185

Your argument is based on chance Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #150

What the hell are you talking about? kwassa Apr 2014 #153

Well, just on the surface Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #154

If several had died, it would not affect my argument. kwassa Apr 2014 #155

This should be its own seperate post. n/t Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #172

the DIFFERENCE between LIFE and DEATH ... napkinz Apr 2014 #173