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Why Is California Penalizing Poor Women for Wanting to Be Parents? [View all] xchrom Apr 2014 OP

Is the opposition to this change mostly a budgetary matter? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #1

If you can't afford one child, it's highly irresponsible to have more children. badtoworse Apr 2014 #2

Good question seveneyes Apr 2014 #4

No, that doesn't sound republican at ALL laundry_queen Apr 2014 #7

Accidents are covered BuelahWitch Apr 2014 #8

You don't mention BCP laundry_queen Apr 2014 #10

BCP = birth control pills, I guess? BuelahWitch Apr 2014 #16

That's a very common scam, in fact. Orrex Apr 2014 #24

Yes, of course that's what I'm accusing them of BuelahWitch Apr 2014 #25

Love it! Orrex Apr 2014 #31

Why do you want poor kids to have such a shitty life? BuelahWitch Apr 2014 #33

you're right- only the middle class plus should have children. the unfortunate poor should not. bettyellen Apr 2014 #35

Why does a woman's "desire" to have more babies BuelahWitch Apr 2014 #39

There are Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #123

That's a straw man. I don't want them to have a shitty life. Orrex Apr 2014 #40

Where did I ever say that children should be defunded? BuelahWitch Apr 2014 #41

In post 8 you argued that only certain "accidental" conceptions are permitted Orrex Apr 2014 #47

Once again, it's not worth an explanation BuelahWitch Apr 2014 #55

Perhaps you should ask yourself why others have identified your nonsense as nonsense Orrex Apr 2014 #57

Because maybe I don't give a flying fuck? BuelahWitch Apr 2014 #58

No, that's not it. Orrex Apr 2014 #62

about children? CreekDog Apr 2014 #164

plenty of wealthy people have shitty lives too. let's force rich assholes to take BC shots also... bettyellen Apr 2014 #43

You won't get any argument from me, I'm all for it. BuelahWitch Apr 2014 #44

yes, impoverished women should shun men and be punished if "accidents" occur- awesome! bettyellen Apr 2014 #46

Well duh. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #48

"progressive" it ain't. Thoughtful and compassionate is lacking here, big time. bettyellen Apr 2014 #53

Well, is it really an individual choice if the choice is a burden on the state? alp227 Apr 2014 #189

Burden on the state? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #194

False equivalence. alp227 Apr 2014 #195

I'm equating a social service with a social service. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #196

I disagree. Planned Parenthood provides all sorts of reproductive health care. alp227 Apr 2014 #197

And money provides for all sorts of provisions. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #198

It's a freaking hard dilemma. alp227 Apr 2014 #200

You are just determined to be angry at someone BuelahWitch Apr 2014 #50

Not angry at all, I'm laughing at this bullshit. Sorry if you read the tone wrong. bettyellen Apr 2014 #51

This, pretty much. nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #80

this goes with your talking points denying climate change CreekDog Apr 2014 #165

What "denial"? AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #174

That's ridiculous Orrex Apr 2014 #49

True, unless they pass the "ok the procreate" test. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #54

it's starting to sound that way- DUers comfortably judging poorer women for daring to get pregnant.. bettyellen Apr 2014 #56

In fairness, they are not telling other to buy guns for them joeglow3 Apr 2014 #59

LOL, but we're just steps away from China's family planning with pregnant women being incarcerated bettyellen Apr 2014 #64

I am surprised we have not seen it joeglow3 Apr 2014 #65

And I wanted a IUD or sterilization in my 20's and 30's but doctors refused me both- not trusting me bettyellen Apr 2014 #91

"Forced sterilization" is such an ugly term Orrex Apr 2014 #67

Spoken like a true Bene Tleilax. Dr. Strange Apr 2014 #206

And they should have oval faces, dammit. Orrex Apr 2014 #207

why do you? withholding assistance for those kids pretty much guarantees it CreekDog Apr 2014 #163

Well, what is the alternative way to take other than pure tongue in cheek not being recognized TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #149

it is a good question. you know what else sounds very r.w. like? demanding people take leftyohiolib Apr 2014 #18

Who is demanding people take 'personal responsibility' for their health care? laundry_queen Apr 2014 #28

we dems are demanding that - that was the whole push behind the aca leftyohiolib Apr 2014 #60

Well don't lump me in laundry_queen Apr 2014 #66

i wasnt lumping you in i was only responding to your post leftyohiolib Apr 2014 #76

Again, laundry_queen Apr 2014 #86

that's the way that poster rolls CreekDog Apr 2014 #162

Oh yeah. laundry_queen Apr 2014 #173

It's about choice. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2014 #9

How so? badtoworse Apr 2014 #13

No one is limiting anyone's choices. delta17 Apr 2014 #108

Exactly +1 n/t PasadenaTrudy Apr 2014 #15

interesting, I always thought this was a spoof :) snooper2 Apr 2014 #20

It's highly irresponsible to set up a trust fund for a child who will screw the next generation. rug Apr 2014 #21

"This is not about fiscal responsibility" badtoworse Apr 2014 #23

Just wondering ... how you would feel about someone like me ... etherealtruth Apr 2014 #94

The issue is whether you were already receiving CalWORKS when you had additional children badtoworse Apr 2014 #106

Your issue .... etherealtruth Apr 2014 #121

You might have a point if the state had unlimited resources, but it doesn't. badtoworse Apr 2014 #136

States receive TANF money in the form of block grants from the federal government. PotatoChip Apr 2014 #143

The requirements seem reasonable, but we are still talking finite resources. badtoworse Apr 2014 #146

she pointed out that you referred to people with money as "good people" CreekDog Apr 2014 #168

then why do you support holding the child responsible? CreekDog Apr 2014 #166

See Post #161 badtoworse Apr 2014 #167

do us a favor and read your own nonsense CreekDog Apr 2014 #169

I have to agree with you on this one. hamsterjill Apr 2014 #34

The fathers should absolutely have to take their share of responsibility badtoworse Apr 2014 #72

You didn't - my bad. hamsterjill Apr 2014 #78

OK badtoworse Apr 2014 #79

There are two solutions: starve the children or sterilize the mother Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #112

No, there are more than two options. hamsterjill Apr 2014 #144

You can ask and educate all you want, some people will STILL have more kids than they can afford... Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #179

The culture of expecting help must change. hamsterjill Apr 2014 #186

The money isn't running out... Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #187

Then why do we already have hungry people in America? hamsterjill Apr 2014 #199

Be that as it may, do you propose we let the child go hungry? Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #111

That is the real question. Should people who cannot afford children continue to have them, or lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #151

what's more irresponsible, for the mom to have the child or the state to punish it? CreekDog Apr 2014 #157

See Post #106 & #136 badtoworse Apr 2014 #158

i'm not following your trail, it's a yes or no question CreekDog Apr 2014 #160

I've already posted my views about this. It's not my problem if you're too lazy to read them. badtoworse Apr 2014 #161

So then why are Republicans blocking reproductive rights? csziggy Apr 2014 #171

I'm not blaming anyone. My point goes to California's policy being reasonable. badtoworse Apr 2014 #172

Sorry but this is the kind of thing that discredits our side.. Vietnameravet Apr 2014 #3

Of course. kcr Apr 2014 #11

did you read the sign? She thinks that its her right to have Vietnameravet Apr 2014 #184

What sign says that? I must have missed it n/t kcr Apr 2014 #188

It is not penalizing poor women for "wanting to be parents" BuelahWitch Apr 2014 #5

I'd like to think that sign was photoshopped into the Senators hands. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #6

Because "Motherhood" is only saintly when the rich and privileged enact it. Coventina Apr 2014 #12

It's unreal, on a democratic website, isn't it? laundry_queen Apr 2014 #32

+1 leftstreet Apr 2014 #45

I'm pro choice too, but nobody's arguing that..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #83

It is never my intention to be dishonest. Coventina Apr 2014 #85

It's right there. "Because "Motherhood" is only saintly when the rich and privileged enact it". AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #176

It's all over this thread, and has been from the very beginning. Coventina Apr 2014 #177

"It's all over this thread, and has been from the very beginning." I'm not so convinced of that. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #178

OK - here's a start: Coventina Apr 2014 #181

Still not convinced. None of these argue the exact thing you claimed. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #182

Please provide links for these criteria suggested by pediatricians and social workers Coventina Apr 2014 #183

It was more of a general thing(maybe it wasn't worded all that well, and I apologize). AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #185

Thank you for your thoughtful response. Coventina Apr 2014 #209

Lots of Republican talking points in this thread gollygee Apr 2014 #14

"Lots of Republican talking points in this thread". Really? AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #82

nope, not imagining things CreekDog Apr 2014 #170

I'm guessing you get a real kick out of stalking people, don't you? AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #175

Lots of Republicans in this thread, I suspect. DanTex May 2014 #210

This is dumb ... GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #17

It's just crass. blueamy66 Apr 2014 #52

Yeah, she's looking to attract the wrong kind of attention. NaturalHigh Apr 2014 #71

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #75

Why not take that money and provide NV Whino Apr 2014 #19

Exactly! BuelahWitch Apr 2014 #27

I'm all for free birth control for everybody. NaturalHigh Apr 2014 #73

I chose not to have any children until I could provide for them. Throd Apr 2014 #22

You really think people born in the ghetto need to leave it before they can reproduce? WOW. bettyellen Apr 2014 #92

Purposely having children you cannot afford to provide for is an irresponsible action. Throd Apr 2014 #96

So poor people should not reproduce in your judgement- got it. bettyellen Apr 2014 #97

You know that is not what I am saying. I'm familiar with your act. Throd Apr 2014 #100

It's not an act LOL. You judge the poor as irresponsible for having babies- ergo you feel a better bettyellen Apr 2014 #102

I'm speaking as someone who WAS poor. Having a child at that time would have been a bad decision. Throd Apr 2014 #103

So if they haven't "pulled themselves up" - they should not have kids. bettyellen Apr 2014 #128

I agree with you - children aren't a right, they are a privilege. Red State Rebel Apr 2014 #134

.... and I am sure that no misfortune or tragedy could ever take away your ability to provide etherealtruth Apr 2014 #95

If my circumstances change for the worse, I sure won't elect to have any more children. Throd Apr 2014 #98

You are a shining example for the great unwashed masses etherealtruth Apr 2014 #101

I'm not talking about children already born. Throd Apr 2014 #104

How is that consistent? etherealtruth Apr 2014 #105

see post #106 Throd Apr 2014 #109

Doesn't explain consistency etherealtruth Apr 2014 #120

See Post #136 badtoworse Apr 2014 #137

No, I would rather not etherealtruth Apr 2014 #145

What an erudite response. badtoworse Apr 2014 #147

this is not about misfortune Vietnameravet Apr 2014 #202

So how do you feel about Nadya Suleman's choices? B2G Apr 2014 #26

I feel so sorry for those kids n/t BuelahWitch Apr 2014 #29

That woman probably needed laundry_queen Apr 2014 #30

Agreed! As someone who has been through the IVF process I can tell you or anyone Coventina Apr 2014 #42

Hey look, a thread full of poor shaming and right wing talking points. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #36

rght wingers would have no , none ,nada, zilcho, zero, dollars going to anyone leftyohiolib Apr 2014 #77

It sure reads that way etherealtruth Apr 2014 #99

No one is penalizing them LittleBlue Apr 2014 #37

I think the key to the issue people are having with this is in the title The Straight Story Apr 2014 #38

First off, birth control should be provided for those who can't afford it seveneyes Apr 2014 #61

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #89

Perhaps a compromise would be to change it so that DebJ Apr 2014 #63

Out of the 8 children the woman has, PotatoChip Apr 2014 #88

Most of them from what I was told. She lives in the neighborhood of a friend DebJ Apr 2014 #93

8 children while on welfare (aka TANF) would be impossible due to time limits. PotatoChip Apr 2014 #122

Thanks for the information, first of all......... DebJ Apr 2014 #125

Yes. It is a federal program administered by the state. PotatoChip Apr 2014 #138

It's not difficult here to be in a situation where adequate child care can't be found. DebJ Apr 2014 #141

That was the first link I came to when googling. PotatoChip Apr 2014 #148

thanks! DebJ Apr 2014 #156

Just a thought, maybe we need a welfare system for able bodied adults? Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #113

That would certainly be more cost efficient than paying for a crack baby as well. DebJ Apr 2014 #115

Again look at the UK, does everyone just sit on their ass and collects a check there? Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #116

I'm fine with the dole part. It's the crack part that bothers me. n/t DebJ Apr 2014 #117

The woman you describe really needs the help of a social worker... Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #118

What's a "CRACK baby"? Recursion Apr 2014 #119

That's interesting. I never saw that revision and I've been a newshound for some years now. DebJ Apr 2014 #126

Cool crack baby story! It's raining money on shitty Moms, lol. bettyellen Apr 2014 #129

My goodness! I am so sorry. DebJ Apr 2014 #131

Such useful "stories" you pass on, smearing the poor by likening them to addicts! bettyellen Apr 2014 #133

bettyellen, you don't know me at all, nor have you seen my Facebook page DebJ Apr 2014 #139

I'm sure you are doing wonderful work, but repeating RW memes is an odd way of supporting the poor.. bettyellen Apr 2014 #150

I was citing a particular case, not repeating an everyone is like this so we should kill it theme. DebJ Apr 2014 #155

I think it was the "crack baby" comment tossed out, that made it sound so weird and RW. bettyellen Apr 2014 #159

Ok. I understand that. Don't know what a better term would be though. n/t DebJ Apr 2014 #204

I think a lot of people have mixed feelings. Shrike47 Apr 2014 #68

California has a 4 year lifetime limit on welfare. Xithras Apr 2014 #69

"but no child should be punished simply for being born poor." I think that most people here on DU. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #84

Nobody is being penalized for anything MO_Moderate Apr 2014 #70

I don't see this as a bad thing. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #74

What do they do about families who have children and THEN become poor or when there is a jwirr Apr 2014 #81

Not the most common cause where I live. DebJ Apr 2014 #135

I have seen this in neighborhoods impacted with high poverty also but the neighborhoods I saw jwirr Apr 2014 #140

Thanks for the positive note! DebJ Apr 2014 #142

i don't care if you can afford it or not.... Scout Apr 2014 #87

California is so dysfunctional and messed up that to even rumdude Apr 2014 #90

I lived in California back when 2naSalit Apr 2014 #107

I've gotta wonder why it's so horrible to suggest....... WillowTree Apr 2014 #110

Reaganite!!!! CFLDem Apr 2014 #114

Reaganite seems dead on to me. Your solution to raising children in poverty is less resources for TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #132

Wrong CFLDem Apr 2014 #153

"Send them and their chillin to the work farm. Make sure they don't have no more" TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #190

Work farm??? CFLDem Apr 2014 #193

The $120/mo. figure is stated as the motivation exboyfil Apr 2014 #124

Purposefully having another child while on welfare (aka TANF) would be a horrible 'investment'. PotatoChip Apr 2014 #127

Same old ass Ronald Reagan "welfare queen" mumbo jumbo. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #130

Best option is the conclusion of many social scientists exboyfil Apr 2014 #154

I think that supports my point, societal meltdown and such instances are untreated side effects. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #191

Then we are in agreement exboyfil Apr 2014 #192

California is not�.How many children does one need to become a parent? Tikki Apr 2014 #152

True. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #180

Massive props to everyone who had the patience to counter the right-wing bullshit on this thread Cal Carpenter Apr 2014 #201

On behalf of righties every, where Thanks Holly for helping the cause of making Vietnameravet Apr 2014 #203

Using an anti-government slogan when you are campaigning FOR government assistance... redgreenandblue Apr 2014 #205

My apologies but when a friend complains that she needs another child McCamy Taylor Apr 2014 #208