[font color = brown]Progree>> 15. .. Actually I'm not so thrilled about the first one, the religious exemption. On the face of it, it sounds like potentially an excuse almost anybody can use to opt out of the individual mandate. If the individual mandate is effectively eroded or abolished, will enough of the young and healthy sign up to keep premiums from going up into a death spiral? (Supposedly that's why we have the individual mandate in the first place). <<[/font]
[font color = blue]ILZ>> 23. "young and healthy don't want insurance" is largely a GOP myth <<[/font]
[font color = brown]Progree>> 34. Don't think anyone said that, nice straw man argument though 
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[font color = blue]ILZ>> 35. GOP opponents say it 24/7 nt <<[/font]
In #23, you replied to my #15 by putting "young and healthy don't want insurance" in quotes in the title line as if it was something I said. I did not say that. That's why I called it a straw man argument -- imply that I said something this categorically extreme and stupid and then ridicule it. That is the essence of the straw man debating technique.
As for what GOP says, frankly I don't immerse myself in right-wing propaganda, let alone 24/7, so I will have to take your word for it (although I'm quite dubious about it), since its you who are repeating right-wing memes (suggesting in #26 that Obama imposed the individual mandate and penalty mostly to grab $4 billion a year -- sure doesn't sound progressive to me. And politically idiotic. I can't imagine a progressive seriously making the argument that Obama administration would mandate hundreds of millions be forced to buy insurance from private for-profit companies just to collect $4 billion a year.)
As for who makes the arguments that the mandates are necessary, and who makes the argument that they are not, please see http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024787880#post37 .
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