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djean111

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55. I see "populist" will be the new buzzword for a while, and soon it will be stretched so far to cover

Fri Apr 11, 2014, 04:30 AM

Apr 2014

Third Way - even though the third Way deplores the very thought - it will lose its meaning. Looks to me like there was a bit of an effort to make "populism" seem like a bad thing, didn't work, so now "populism" will be redefined as a Third Way thing that they wanted to be, all along.

Hillary is a Third Wayer.
Economically, she is no populist.
And anyway, we have 2014 to take care of, I thought - or is that only for those who prefer other possible candidates.
I think it may be a mistake to start ramming Hillary down throats so soon. She is what she is. I do not think opinions of her can be changed with words and exhortations at this point.

Saying Hillary is/was not deeply involved with the TPP and saying well, we don't know what's in it is hilariously disingenuous. Not going to work.

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Hillary Clinton is a "populist leaning liberal" on the issues, [View all] pnwmom Apr 2014 OP

Not if she favors TPP and Keystone XL eridani Apr 2014 #1

What positions did she take on TPP or Keystone XL as a Senator? pnwmom Apr 2014 #4

This was as SecState eridani Apr 2014 #7

at the time she spoke on tpp OKNancy Apr 2014 #14

"It was not written" ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #26

There is no finished draft yet, is there? pnwmom Apr 2014 #41

Yes, as a matter of fact. See Wikileaks n/t eridani Apr 2014 #43

That was not a final draft and it wasn't a complete draft, either. pnwmom Apr 2014 #44

Yes, and those negotiaters were clearly discussing how to fuck up the 99% eridani Apr 2014 #45

TPP is more about environmental and intellectual property standards. joshcryer Apr 2014 #52

Wikileaks showed most TPP participants disagreed with its provisions. joshcryer Apr 2014 #51

OK--just ignore it. The 1% is only looking out for all of us-- eridani Apr 2014 #53

No, give the other participants more credit. joshcryer Apr 2014 #54

The US as a country, perhaps. US corporations, absolutely not. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #147

Bill Clinton 'embraces' Keystone Whisp Apr 2014 #63

hey whisp DonCoquixote Apr 2014 #106

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #19

That doesn't say anything about her stance on any issues treestar Apr 2014 #138

No one who supports corporate global dictatorship is a liberal, period n/t eridani Apr 2014 #152

HAHAHAHAHAHA !!! blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #2

+10000000000000000000. closeupready Apr 2014 #103

Sure, if you're a far right bagger type. PeteSelman Apr 2014 #3

A great way to describe her. I'm going to have to repeat that. n/t Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #6

That's inane BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #16

Talk is cheap. PeteSelman Apr 2014 #20

What happened is we had a near Depression in the meantime...hello? BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #23

Well that IS the entire point. PeteSelman Apr 2014 #28

Maybe you should define "Reaganesque" BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #34

Well said, BG greatlaurel Apr 2014 #107

Why isn't the same spluttering outrage directed at anyone who suggests Obama leans liberal? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #30

There's plenty of that. PeteSelman Apr 2014 #31

We do have other branches and a separation of powers treestar Apr 2014 #139

Yup, that is exactly why Goldman Sachs paid her $400,000 to give two speeches back in November Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #5

And when Obama is out of office AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #40

Which is also what I'd expect from the guy who didn't push to hold any of the banks or wall street Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #57

It's what they do AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #70

Sounds like you have psychic abilities! Auntie Bush Apr 2014 #82

We will have to see if your crystal ball is correct. Whisp Apr 2014 #71

Obama's administration AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #72

and Clinton people and Repuglicans that wedge themselves Whisp Apr 2014 #73

I mean he has appointed them to high positions AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #127

most of whom DonCoquixote Apr 2014 #105

So everything Obama does AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #128

what are some of Clinton's fine work for the left? Whisp Apr 2014 #131

Folks on welfare were five times more likely to work AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #132

o yes, Bill's reform worked wonders, didn't it? Whisp Apr 2014 #133

I notice that you ignored AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #134

Talented man, doing all that and running around the Oval Office Whisp Apr 2014 #135

Now you sound like AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #137

It appears that clinton is in that stellar company of pugs: Whisp Apr 2014 #140

Bloobity, blabbity, blobbitty, bleh.... AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #141

I knew you would be backing off with a blush on your face. Whisp Apr 2014 #142

Just one more parting gift for you: Whisp Apr 2014 #143

no it is his DonCoquixote Apr 2014 #145

He is to the right of her AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #148

woah. Hillary voted for the Iraq war and threatened to 'obliterate' Iran Whisp Apr 2014 #150

not a lot of hard facts or examples DonCoquixote Apr 2014 #151

Raygun was paid ONE MILLION dollars for a speech in China. Auntie Bush Apr 2014 #83

Presidents in Retirement: A Comparison antiquie Apr 2014 #126

Does her Sachs speeches trump the rest? joshcryer Apr 2014 #50

not always, but it shows that she is for sale Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #56

I'm sorry you're disabled; but you weren't drafted WhiteTara Apr 2014 #59

True Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #64

Barbara Lee was the only one who voted no. WhiteTara Apr 2014 #68

Where she came from? She came from the white-bread 'burbs outside Chicago. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #125

I know, she's such a ...... WhiteTara Apr 2014 #136

I wasn't going to call her the "b word"-I hate that term-and this has nothing to do with gender. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #146

She is not my first choice but if Beearewhyain Apr 2014 #8

Yeah, if you are a teabagger! n/t RoccoR5955 Apr 2014 #9

So what did she really do to put the policies she claims to favor in action? JDPriestly Apr 2014 #10

Christ, the hits for "Clinton Common Core" on Google are atrocious. joshcryer Apr 2014 #49

If she's a populist leaning liberal, I have six legs and a third eye in my forehead. Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #11

Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it so. n/t winter is coming Apr 2014 #12

Horse. Fucking. Shit. nt brooklynboy49 Apr 2014 #13

It's a little late for an April Fool's joke, but you did make me laugh. Thanks. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2014 #15

No, she is an entrenched DNC Democrat pipoman Apr 2014 #17

heh. KG Apr 2014 #18

And I'm the Queen of England n/t Aerows Apr 2014 #21

I am Anastasia, last of the Romanovs. n/t QC Apr 2014 #22

She's a pro-Wall Street, pro-military hawk. Xithras Apr 2014 #24

That pretty much sums up what makes me uneasy about her running for president. I will have to vote jwirr Apr 2014 #29

Links? She notably supports medical marijuana. joshcryer Apr 2014 #48

I've never heard her speak in favor of Medical Marijuana, as Sec of State she openly Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #66

Is this kind of sarcasm really necessary!!? Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #25

Rated 100% NARAL, 96% NAACP, 89% HRC, 82% NEA, 60% ACLU, 35% Chamber of Commerce. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #27

Being on the right side of social issues isn't populist eridani Apr 2014 #35

Historically speaking... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #38

Populism can be racist, but its core is economic justice eridani Apr 2014 #42

I really made a false comparison... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #58

Equality of wages, social or populist? joshcryer Apr 2014 #46

Populist n/t eridani Apr 2014 #74

Green / sustainable energy? Social or populist? joshcryer Apr 2014 #76

Economic, therefore populist n/t eridani Apr 2014 #113

Being against CAFTA, social or populist? joshcryer Apr 2014 #114

Ultrapopuulist! n/t eridani Apr 2014 #117

For BCRA, social or populist? joshcryer Apr 2014 #115

BHVPA, social or populist? joshcryer Apr 2014 #116

Let's have some acronym help here n/t eridani Apr 2014 #119

Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act joshcryer Apr 2014 #120

Yes, of course it's social n/t eridani Apr 2014 #121

Point taken lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #67

Geez--the CoC thinks OBAMA is a socialist, ferchrissakes. n/t eridani Apr 2014 #75

Clinton is so far to the left of Obama... joshcryer Apr 2014 #47

Which is why she is more hawkish on Iran than he is, no doubt eridani Apr 2014 #77

Her foreign policy positions are terrifying. joshcryer Apr 2014 #118

Who chose that term, "populist leaning liberal?" polichick Apr 2014 #32

Got your hip waders on? It's getting deep. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #33

Isn't a year too early for painfully stupid primary threads? LeftyMom Apr 2014 #36

Yeah, when compared to teabaggers. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #37

Hillary Clinton... populist... LittleBlue Apr 2014 #39

I see "populist" will be the new buzzword for a while, and soon it will be stretched so far to cover djean111 Apr 2014 #55

And I'm Winston Churchill .................. marmar Apr 2014 #60

Thanks, pnwmom, but looky who shows up in the thread... Hekate Apr 2014 #61

The most rightwing DUers all *attempt* to self-identify as "liberals". Romulox Apr 2014 #62

Bwahahahahahah L0oniX Apr 2014 #65

yeah and obama is a socailist dembotoz Apr 2014 #69

Interesting that when I scroll down to 'Hillary Clinton on Corporations' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #78

What a joke BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #79

trying out the Fox talking point Doctor_J Apr 2014 #81

Lol. What you said, so true! What the heck Would Warren and Sanders be if Hillary is pop lean lib? Whisp Apr 2014 #84

Warren and Sanders are evaluated at OnTheIssues website. greatlaurel Apr 2014 #85

No BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #87

lol fascisthunter Apr 2014 #80

I love how none of us are buying this, LOL! reformist2 Apr 2014 #86

Indeed BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #88

Reminder BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #89

Please link to these sites that have better models, please. greatlaurel Apr 2014 #90

Alright BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #91

Do any of these site rate political candidates based on pnwmom Apr 2014 #93

Political compass does BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #94

How can someone do it on their own without knowing about all the votes pnwmom Apr 2014 #95

Easy BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #96

I think all the charts start out with a false dichotomy pnwmom Apr 2014 #97

Not quite BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #98

The rightwing economic philosophy is a core part of Libertarianism. pnwmom Apr 2014 #99

Yes BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #100

There is nothing intrinsically less authoritarian pnwmom Apr 2014 #108

What? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #109

And when in recorded history has there been a government pnwmom Apr 2014 #110

A few times actually BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #112

There may have been "groups" in both countries, but they weren't running the country. pnwmom Apr 2014 #122

Not sure what your point is BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #144

Your OP has been attacked using the Gish Gallop greatlaurel Apr 2014 #104

Please don't insult me BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #111

This list is from the site in your OP: antiquie Apr 2014 #129

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA woo me with science Apr 2014 #92

Bernie Sanders is rated at 39% by CATO, greatlaurel Apr 2014 #101

Good point. She's the anti-CATO. n/t pnwmom Apr 2014 #124

she's a third-way centrist who facilitated war crimes in Iraq... mike_c Apr 2014 #102

Thanks for the laugh. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #123

interesting. so apparently one can be a hawk and still a populist. m-lekktor Apr 2014 #130

That boat has sailed and sunk. DeSwiss Apr 2014 #149