Today's school stabbings: on the lethality of knives vs. guns

[beevul]

86. You can, actually, yes.

So if I want a fully automatic machine gun, should I be able to get one if I'm so inclined?

You can, legally, in most states, own such things, if you're willing to pay the artificially inflated price, wait the time that the in depth NFA background check takes.

However, just to be clear, that would be a fully automatic weapon, rather than a so-called assault weapon which is semi-automatic. Big difference. 5 years minimum in club fed if you don't dot your Is and cross your Ts just right to be exact. I wouldn't mind giving one a try at a gun range, but it isn't something I would ever want to own, or be able to afford to feed. I don't see a problem with people owning them though.

If you're saying people shouldn't be able to, heres your chance to say why, beyond the fact that you dislike what you perceive as "high power" weapons.

"So the freedom to have weapons of high power outweighs public safety?

I don't see the freedom to own firearms of power high or otherwise, as being in conflict with public safety. In addition, theres the second amendment. Before you ramble on about "militia", consider this:

Heller and Mcdonald are settled law, and affirm that the second amendment protects an individual right, and that it is applicable against the States. Whether you agree or not, it is settled law, and binding in this country.

"Well, first of all, how many Americans die in mass bombings? How many rampage killers have used grenades and explosives? Compare that to all the mass shootings and gun deaths in this country, and you'll see my point."

You didn't answer my questions. Must have missed them. An oversight surely. Here they are again for your convenience:

How many laws were broken leading up to and in the commission of sandy hook, why did they fail to stop the shooter, and what makes you think another one will when the others didn't?

Don't expect me to answer yours if you wont answer mine.

"Are you actually telling me that if Adam Lanza couldn't legally get his hands on an assault weapon, he'd been able to get one anyway and do what they did as easily? Oh please."

Couldn't? Couldn't?? He DIDN'T. Is it lost on you that he committed the murder of his own mother to gain possession of the rifle he used at sandy hook? Kindly explain how that constitutes "legally getting his hands on an assault weapon", which incidentally, wasn't classified as an "assault weapion" under the CT assault weapon ban, which mirrors the original federal assault weapon ban.

If you're suggesting I take your word for it, well, no, why can't you just link me to what you're talking about? And you link me to two state legislatures who were recalled in a massive NRA and arms lobby campaign in the state. How is this "big money" losing? Notice also that the governor and others haven't faced a recall, and that butthurt Coloradans are apparently even considering to secede from the state to preserve their gun rights....

I did link you to what I was talking about, but apparently you didn't bother to read them thoroughly. Here, let me put in bold for you, the pertinent parts, which you seem to have missed. Refutation of the below quote incoming:

"And you link me to two state legislatures who were recalled in a massive NRA and arms lobby campaign in the state. How is this "big money" losing?"

From my first link:

Recall campaigns amassed about $3.5 million, according to a Sept. 9 Denver Post report that examined 10 issue committees involved in both races. Opponents outraised election backers, collecting nearly $3 million, about five times more than the $540,000 raised by Second Amendment advocates, the newspaper found.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-11/colorado-senate-president-loses-seat-in-nra-backed-recall.html

Do you understand what that says?

That says that second amendment advocates raised around 540,000 dollars, while people who opposed the recall amassed roughly 3 million.

The side that raised 540 thousand WON. The side that raised 3 million LOST. You understand that 3 million is between 5 and 6 times as much as 540,000 right? Ok, good.

Now, you tell me, how isn't that big money losing?

"massive NRA and arms lobby campaign"

Riddle me this:

How massive is a "NRA and arms lobby campaign" if it is outspent by its opponents at a rate of 5 to 1, and how could it possibly win if its outspent 5 to 1, if what you say about big money is true?

I already told you the answer to the second half of the question. People are serious about their rights where firearms are concerned. Serious as a recall election.

What say you, now, about the first part?