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In reply to the discussion: If ACA is struck down, are you really so naive as to think single-payer will come to the rescue? [View all]eomer
(3,845 posts)53. Maybe you'll believe Ezra Klein, then, when he says it didn't?
Excerpt from an Ezra Klein blog entry:
Sen. Michael Bennet's effort to revive the public option in the reconciliation process is gaining steam, with almost 20 senators signing on to the idea. Among them are Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer, who are not, shall we say, possessed of a whimsical or quixotic temperament.
Of course, you don't need almost 20 senators. You need 51, or more. And complicating that project is that the question here is not simply "public option: yes or no?" It's whether you want to jam a public option into a bill that Senate Democrats already passed without a public option. Not only are you throwing out any hope of appearing even slightly bipartisan, but you're also increasing internal dissension and adding unpredictability into a process that's collapsed into chaos already.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/02/is_the_public_option_making_a.html
Of course, you don't need almost 20 senators. You need 51, or more. And complicating that project is that the question here is not simply "public option: yes or no?" It's whether you want to jam a public option into a bill that Senate Democrats already passed without a public option. Not only are you throwing out any hope of appearing even slightly bipartisan, but you're also increasing internal dissension and adding unpredictability into a process that's collapsed into chaos already.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/02/is_the_public_option_making_a.html
Klein is still off by 1 - you don't need 51 but rather 50 because the Vice President can cast the 51st vote. But he's got the general idea. A reconciliation process bill cannot be filibustered so it takes only 50 votes.
If you're still doubtful, here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia article for the final reconciliation bill, showing that it did not need 60 votes (it passed by a vote of 56-43 in the Senate):
In the Senate, the bill faced numerous amendments made by the Republicans, all of which failed. However, the Republicans had two provisions dealing with Pell Grants stricken from the bill due to violations of budget reconciliation rules, forcing the bill to return to the House.[12] The two provisions were: The fourth paragraph of Sec. 2101(a)(2)(C) and Sec. 2101(a)(2)(D).[13][14] On March 25, the bill passed the Senate by a 5643 vote, with all Republicans and 3 Democrats voting against it.[15] The only Democratic Senators to vote against were: Lincoln (D-AR), Nelson (D-NE) & Pryor (D-AR). Later in the same day the House passed the modified bill by a 220207 vote, sending it to President Obama for a signature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Care_and_Education_Reconciliation_Act_of_2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Care_and_Education_Reconciliation_Act_of_2010
And here is an article by The Hill, stating that reconciliation could be used to pass healthcare reform and that it therefore does not take 60 votes:
The Senate could still use budget rules to pass healthcare without 60 votes, the White House indicated Monday.
President Barack Obama is hopeful that the Senate will pass a healthcare bill with 60 votes, but White House press secretary Robert Gibbs held out the possibility that budget reconciliation rules could still be used.
He said Senate leaders and the White House would turn to those rules, which would prevent the Senate from needing to secure 60 votes for procedural steps, only if they are not making progress.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/67011-white-house-wont-rule-out-reconciliation-rules-on-healthcare
President Barack Obama is hopeful that the Senate will pass a healthcare bill with 60 votes, but White House press secretary Robert Gibbs held out the possibility that budget reconciliation rules could still be used.
He said Senate leaders and the White House would turn to those rules, which would prevent the Senate from needing to secure 60 votes for procedural steps, only if they are not making progress.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/67011-white-house-wont-rule-out-reconciliation-rules-on-healthcare
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If ACA is struck down, are you really so naive as to think single-payer will come to the rescue? [View all]
backscatter712
Mar 2012
OP
You are absolutely right, and it will most likely give repukes control to limit heath care for even
still_one
Mar 2012
#1
Sure, but it won't matter, the "new" repugs will run the show if ACA goes down, and they won't care
still_one
Mar 2012
#5
Sure, but there will be enough Sarah Palins howling about death panels...
backscatter712
Mar 2012
#8
What are you talking about, Sarah Palins? I've seen people on the LEFT do it.
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#24
That will be so helpful, since the media are so great at covering progressive demonstrations. nt
pnwmom
Mar 2012
#88
+1,000. Sorry to say that I agree. If ACA stays, I predict it will become Medicare4All.
freshwest
Mar 2012
#3
i expect if it's shot down, universal healthcare will be toxic for years...never happen
spanone
Mar 2012
#4
A prof. from MIT said on Tweety just now that it would be 17 years before it would be addressed
CTyankee
Mar 2012
#30
Except that "centrist" Democrats were beholden to the health-care industry...
regnaD kciN
Mar 2012
#20
Don't move the goalposts. PPACA passed 60-39. HCERA was only possible with PPACA.
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#55
They could easily have gotten a ruling from the parliamentarian; they chose not to try.
eomer
Mar 2012
#59
How did Bush get his evil agenda passed with only 51 votes? n/t
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
Mar 2012
#83
the republicans aren't the only ones. Remember the Democrats kept single payer
robinlynne
Mar 2012
#18
I thought ACA was supposed to be the "stepping stone" to single-payer.
Common Sense Party
Mar 2012
#21
I think you are correct. This is why it is such high stakes. If everybody thinks they can just go
CTyankee
Mar 2012
#48
It'll take a revolution to change a light bulb, the way things are going.
SolutionisSolidarity
Mar 2012
#38
yep--and every time we've tried (avg 17 years) the mix is more & more conservative
librechik
Mar 2012
#39
Hell yeah. I was also told I was naive to vote for an inexperienced black senator from Illinois.nt
Poll_Blind
Mar 2012
#51
I predict if ACA is struck down that it will outrage people so much that in November elections, the
Pachamama
Mar 2012
#67