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Warren DeMontague

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98. No, I'm not "condemning them too as idiots buying into snake oil". If I was, I would say that.

Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:39 PM

Apr 2014

And I weighed in on that thread, too, in case you didn't notice. I feel no need to rehash what I said there, except that I don't 2nd guess ANYONE'S path to sobriety, but it would be nice if 12 step programs and their devotees could do a better job of not telling addicts "when you're ready, you'll accept some version of God, because that's the ONLY way people get better."

It's not. I know people whose lives have been saved by AA and/or the 12 steps, but I also know people whose lives have been saved by things like Rational Recovery- and I know too many 12 steppers who go "la la la I can't hear youuuuu no such thing" when anyone mentions secular alternatives to 12 step programs.

Also, I think it's ridiculous to be comparing a psychological program designed to work on human attitudes and behavior to someone asserting that bat guano diluted 10,000 times in water carries some magical medical property.

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Woo is woo. [View all] Archae Apr 2014 OP

What about that stuff you sprinkle on breakfast cereal to neutralize the radiation from Fukishima? arcane1 Apr 2014 #1

You got to be kidding, someone actually sells that? Archae Apr 2014 #3

And someone actually buys it, too. arcane1 Apr 2014 #13

But you are missing the point! Separation Apr 2014 #92

My Wife Uses A LOT of Garlic ProfessorGAC Apr 2014 #99

Can't argue that kind of data Professor! Separation Apr 2014 #102

Just Sayin' ProfessorGAC Apr 2014 #127

And apparently, ridiculing homeopathy is now "hippie punching"... SidDithers Apr 2014 #2

I found that odd as well. n/t haikugal Apr 2014 #14

I know a few old hippies who treat themselves and their kids with it Warpy Apr 2014 #17

how's those magic crystals i sent you Sid? are they working? dionysus Apr 2014 #19

They work like a fucking CHARM! Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #28

They hurt when I use them... SidDithers Apr 2014 #38

Stick em with the pointy end Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #42

Whaddaya mean "even Hippies", Sid? Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #24

wait... didn't he say that even hippies would NOT want to be associated with such woo? dionysus Apr 2014 #32

I don't care, Sid owes me for that. I need a miracle, brah Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #37

Brings back memories zappaman Apr 2014 #41

Yep. Me too. Unfortunately I thought the scene turned sour around mid '93. Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #46

I stopped going when I noticed how many people were selling crap in the parking lot� and tickets KittyWampus Apr 2014 #47

Yeah. I feel real fortunate to have seen some of the ones I did. Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #55

Ha! zappaman Apr 2014 #48

Nice. Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #52

Started in the east zappaman Apr 2014 #57

Re: LA... Gee, ya think? Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #62

My first date with my wife of 35 years Atman Apr 2014 #129

...um.....May of 1977, perchance? Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #143

Poor choice of words... SidDithers Apr 2014 #36

It's fine, man. Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #40

LOL zappaman Apr 2014 #44

It's D�j� woo all over again. pintobean Apr 2014 #110

LOL maddezmom Apr 2014 #111

There must be something in the diluted water. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #112

I am thinking maddezmom Apr 2014 #113

... Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #4

Eat garlic with every meal not only does it make all things taste better but it'll also increase Arcanetrance Apr 2014 #5

I love garlic and I'm lucky! zappaman Apr 2014 #6

On a serious note garlic is one of the greatest things on earth Arcanetrance Apr 2014 #9

Agreed! zappaman Apr 2014 #11

i thought it is also very beneficial to artery\heart health... dionysus Apr 2014 #34

I've heard that idk if it's true but if it is my heart will beat forever Arcanetrance Apr 2014 #35

I use garlic to fight fungal infections. Works like a charm. Is that woo? Because applegrove Apr 2014 #101

True, Sir: It Is Not a Condiment, It is An Ingredient The Magistrate Apr 2014 #105

Well, garlic repells vampires, and you're lucky that you haven't been attacked by one. arcane1 Apr 2014 #12

Much more effective than crosses. COLGATE4 Apr 2014 #15

With as much garlic as I eat I'd be a wmd against vampires Arcanetrance Apr 2014 #16

I have noticed that it helps me fall asleep. Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #26

on Garlic ..... Not a Fan Apr 2014 #69

ok. laundry_queen Apr 2014 #7

"Try this one strange trick that doctors hate." Rex Apr 2014 #8

Wooooo!!!! Shoulders of Giants Apr 2014 #10

lol Go Vols Apr 2014 #30

For those who don't get the picture Revanchist Apr 2014 #126

Using ones diet to improve ones health isn't woo. I feel really sorry for you. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #18

not, it's not woo because it isn't homeopathy, either ;) dionysus Apr 2014 #20

It varies widely, by what is eaten and what for. Archae Apr 2014 #22

So go to the freaking religion/spirituality forum and post your woo threads.Maybe you aren't KittyWampus Apr 2014 #43

+1000000000 pangaia Apr 2014 #51

+1 drokhole Apr 2014 #64

Where did he mention diet? n/t Gore1FL Apr 2014 #66

it's just silly flamebait BuddhaGirl Apr 2014 #78

Where did he mention that dietary changes are woo? NuclearDem Apr 2014 #84

I've noticed the same Boreal Apr 2014 #122

The Septics of DU kentauros Apr 2014 #123

Twice a year I manage to throw my back out... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2014 #21

A good massage works too. Archae Apr 2014 #23

My sacrum actually shifts forward and up... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2014 #27

I think it's entirely possible that chiropractic adjustment can alleviate pain caused by pinched Maedhros Apr 2014 #49

And no one would suspect that rheumatoid arthritis would be linked to microbes in the gut... drokhole Apr 2014 #68

I only brought it up... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2014 #74

I have the same type of issue with my hip laundry_queen Apr 2014 #50

Yes, actually it is. I had a doctor tell me that if I went to a chiropractor it would get better.... Logical Apr 2014 #54

I brought up "testicle" for a reason... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2014 #75

Same kind of thing for me. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #59

We must be imagining it... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2014 #77

I told my neurosurgeon I wanted to go see a chiropractor Separation Apr 2014 #95

In February, while playing tennis, I got a pain in my lower back and... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #100

my dog was making it up too, when the veterinary chiropracter magical thyme Apr 2014 #130

Animals can't manufacture a placebo response. They either get relief or they don't. riderinthestorm Apr 2014 #133

woo hoo? ellennelle Apr 2014 #25

No, they're not, by definition. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #33

right, giving horse piss to menopausal women so they get breast cancer isn't woo. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #45

That thalidomide was an abomination of a drug doesn't verify homeopathy. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #81

Woo? Rider3 Apr 2014 #29

The military, out of desperation (pain meds aren't working), has turned to acupuncture... drokhole Apr 2014 #73

Macdill AFB in Tampa has one now Separation Apr 2014 #96

In general people do better TBF Apr 2014 #31

Woo is opinions, assholes and bellybuttons... bearssoapbox Apr 2014 #39

Woo woo woo woo woo! Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #53

Ontological Dawkinsite materialism is woo, too. So is the "gateway drug" theory. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #56

It's all crap. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #58

Couldn't cut pre-veterinary in the case of my ex- brother in law independentpiney Apr 2014 #87

Wow you have spoken now I never have to think upaloopa Apr 2014 #60

Some things aren't woo. Vegetables. Exercise. eallen Apr 2014 #61

He didn't call those woo. n/t Gore1FL Apr 2014 #67

Woo woo? tritsofme Apr 2014 #63

Chiropractic isn't woo Gore1FL Apr 2014 #65

Neither is acupuncture. My mother was unable to glinda Apr 2014 #71

Spinal manipulation can be very helpful independentpiney Apr 2014 #89

Not as long as it is strictly used to treat musculoskeletal issues eridani Apr 2014 #125

I say Woo unto thee! hrmjustin Apr 2014 #70

Is it "woo" to spend more money for health care and get worse results than many nations jtuck004 Apr 2014 #72

"...we asked [the NIH] 'do we have good evidence to show that acupuncture is safe and effective..." drokhole Apr 2014 #76

I have always dealt with medical 840high Apr 2014 #79

But Breatharianism, that's hard science. Kablooie Apr 2014 #80

Is Alcoholics Anonymous "woo"? According to your rubric it is riderinthestorm Apr 2014 #82

Placebo effect fbc Apr 2014 #88

So every one of the good DUers who have been helped are simply idiots prone to a placebo? riderinthestorm Apr 2014 #94

thats a terrible example since AA demonstrably doesnt work pitohui Apr 2014 #136

I wouldn't call it "woo", or 2nd guess someone's path to sobriety- I disagree that it's the ONLY way Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #91

Did you read my link? Many DUers with experience in other 12 step programs riderinthestorm Apr 2014 #93

No, I'm not "condemning them too as idiots buying into snake oil". If I was, I would say that. Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #98

Yep... We've Got It All Figured Out... Just Like Before Galileo, Einstein, Currie... WillyT Apr 2014 #83

Homeopathic Emergency Room fbc Apr 2014 #85

Lifestyle Nutritionists fbc Apr 2014 #86

Mitchell and Webb are brilliant... SidDithers Apr 2014 #119

Just because some quacks make outrageous claims, doesn't make it all woo Ratty Apr 2014 #90

The only people more lacking in critical thinking skills than woo peddlers... Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #97

and yet thousands of unnecessary operations are performed in the United States each year Samantha Apr 2014 #103

wrong isnt necessarily "woo" qazplm Apr 2014 #104

Flame bait is woo. KurtNYC Apr 2014 #106

Looks like flu vaccine just might be woo, too! djean111 Apr 2014 #107

Do you mean the antivirals? maddezmom Apr 2014 #109

Yes. I was sort of kidding, but sort of serious. djean111 Apr 2014 #117

I have a pretty health skepticism about things davidpdx Apr 2014 #108

It must be Friday. n/t flvegan Apr 2014 #114

Well, it's actually been a while since Woo War I. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #115

THIS again? MrMickeysMom Apr 2014 #116

Chiropractic is woo when used to treat actual back problems and not crap like asthma? moriah Apr 2014 #118

Well, there are links to asthma and inflammatory/autoimmune disease... drokhole Apr 2014 #144

Okay, but is woo completely useless? Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #120

woo woo Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #121

Now, that made me laugh! kentauros Apr 2014 #124

I wish I had snagged the link to Ptah's unsynchronized woo hoos. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #134

You mean these? kentauros Apr 2014 #138

see, how they just fit right into this thread ?! They look right at home! Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #139

Perhaps they need to be a direct reply to the OP and/or OP-author. kentauros Apr 2014 #140

where is Ptah when you need him? Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #141

Well, I have an animated-gif editor, kentauros Apr 2014 #142

Your brain is woo.. sendero Apr 2014 #128

No it wasn't, and saying so shows you don't understand pseudoscience. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #131

Gummy bear vitamins are as woo as I get ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #132

Worst woo ever - Bleach enemas for children to cure their autism... SidDithers Apr 2014 #135

Wrong. The effectiveness of acupuncture for pain relief has been demonstrated pnwmom Apr 2014 #137

+1 drokhole Apr 2014 #145