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BlindTiresias

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Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:49 PM

Apr 2014

The political quiz and graph is terrible. I also love how you characterize people who hate the center right turn in the Democratic party which both Clintons are a part of as GOP trolling. As a student of political philosophy and political science their metrics are totally off kilter and very much buying into the pernicious right wing frame that has been plaguing American politics for decades now. Its a BS site and complete garbage, you would be better served by getting a real education in matters of ideology and policy and then evaluating the politicians on the basis of word -and- deed in addition to how vigorously they push some policies over others.

I give the site as a whole a C-, and only because it attempts to be unbiased within its flawed model.

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Hillary Clinton is a "populist leaning liberal" on the issues, [View all] pnwmom Apr 2014 OP

Not if she favors TPP and Keystone XL eridani Apr 2014 #1

What positions did she take on TPP or Keystone XL as a Senator? pnwmom Apr 2014 #4

This was as SecState eridani Apr 2014 #7

at the time she spoke on tpp OKNancy Apr 2014 #14

"It was not written" ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #26

There is no finished draft yet, is there? pnwmom Apr 2014 #41

Yes, as a matter of fact. See Wikileaks n/t eridani Apr 2014 #43

That was not a final draft and it wasn't a complete draft, either. pnwmom Apr 2014 #44

Yes, and those negotiaters were clearly discussing how to fuck up the 99% eridani Apr 2014 #45

TPP is more about environmental and intellectual property standards. joshcryer Apr 2014 #52

Wikileaks showed most TPP participants disagreed with its provisions. joshcryer Apr 2014 #51

OK--just ignore it. The 1% is only looking out for all of us-- eridani Apr 2014 #53

No, give the other participants more credit. joshcryer Apr 2014 #54

The US as a country, perhaps. US corporations, absolutely not. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #147

Bill Clinton 'embraces' Keystone Whisp Apr 2014 #63

hey whisp DonCoquixote Apr 2014 #106

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #19

That doesn't say anything about her stance on any issues treestar Apr 2014 #138

No one who supports corporate global dictatorship is a liberal, period n/t eridani Apr 2014 #152

HAHAHAHAHAHA !!! blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #2

+10000000000000000000. closeupready Apr 2014 #103

Sure, if you're a far right bagger type. PeteSelman Apr 2014 #3

A great way to describe her. I'm going to have to repeat that. n/t Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #6

That's inane BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #16

Talk is cheap. PeteSelman Apr 2014 #20

What happened is we had a near Depression in the meantime...hello? BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #23

Well that IS the entire point. PeteSelman Apr 2014 #28

Maybe you should define "Reaganesque" BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #34

Well said, BG greatlaurel Apr 2014 #107

Why isn't the same spluttering outrage directed at anyone who suggests Obama leans liberal? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #30

There's plenty of that. PeteSelman Apr 2014 #31

We do have other branches and a separation of powers treestar Apr 2014 #139

Yup, that is exactly why Goldman Sachs paid her $400,000 to give two speeches back in November Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #5

And when Obama is out of office AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #40

Which is also what I'd expect from the guy who didn't push to hold any of the banks or wall street Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #57

It's what they do AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #70

Sounds like you have psychic abilities! Auntie Bush Apr 2014 #82

We will have to see if your crystal ball is correct. Whisp Apr 2014 #71

Obama's administration AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #72

and Clinton people and Repuglicans that wedge themselves Whisp Apr 2014 #73

I mean he has appointed them to high positions AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #127

most of whom DonCoquixote Apr 2014 #105

So everything Obama does AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #128

what are some of Clinton's fine work for the left? Whisp Apr 2014 #131

Folks on welfare were five times more likely to work AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #132

o yes, Bill's reform worked wonders, didn't it? Whisp Apr 2014 #133

I notice that you ignored AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #134

Talented man, doing all that and running around the Oval Office Whisp Apr 2014 #135

Now you sound like AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #137

It appears that clinton is in that stellar company of pugs: Whisp Apr 2014 #140

Bloobity, blabbity, blobbitty, bleh.... AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #141

I knew you would be backing off with a blush on your face. Whisp Apr 2014 #142

Just one more parting gift for you: Whisp Apr 2014 #143

no it is his DonCoquixote Apr 2014 #145

He is to the right of her AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #148

woah. Hillary voted for the Iraq war and threatened to 'obliterate' Iran Whisp Apr 2014 #150

not a lot of hard facts or examples DonCoquixote Apr 2014 #151

Raygun was paid ONE MILLION dollars for a speech in China. Auntie Bush Apr 2014 #83

Presidents in Retirement: A Comparison antiquie Apr 2014 #126

Does her Sachs speeches trump the rest? joshcryer Apr 2014 #50

not always, but it shows that she is for sale Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #56

I'm sorry you're disabled; but you weren't drafted WhiteTara Apr 2014 #59

True Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #64

Barbara Lee was the only one who voted no. WhiteTara Apr 2014 #68

Where she came from? She came from the white-bread 'burbs outside Chicago. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #125

I know, she's such a ...... WhiteTara Apr 2014 #136

I wasn't going to call her the "b word"-I hate that term-and this has nothing to do with gender. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #146

She is not my first choice but if Beearewhyain Apr 2014 #8

Yeah, if you are a teabagger! n/t RoccoR5955 Apr 2014 #9

So what did she really do to put the policies she claims to favor in action? JDPriestly Apr 2014 #10

Christ, the hits for "Clinton Common Core" on Google are atrocious. joshcryer Apr 2014 #49

If she's a populist leaning liberal, I have six legs and a third eye in my forehead. Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #11

Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it so. n/t winter is coming Apr 2014 #12

Horse. Fucking. Shit. nt brooklynboy49 Apr 2014 #13

It's a little late for an April Fool's joke, but you did make me laugh. Thanks. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2014 #15

No, she is an entrenched DNC Democrat pipoman Apr 2014 #17

heh. KG Apr 2014 #18

And I'm the Queen of England n/t Aerows Apr 2014 #21

I am Anastasia, last of the Romanovs. n/t QC Apr 2014 #22

She's a pro-Wall Street, pro-military hawk. Xithras Apr 2014 #24

That pretty much sums up what makes me uneasy about her running for president. I will have to vote jwirr Apr 2014 #29

Links? She notably supports medical marijuana. joshcryer Apr 2014 #48

I've never heard her speak in favor of Medical Marijuana, as Sec of State she openly Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #66

Is this kind of sarcasm really necessary!!? Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #25

Rated 100% NARAL, 96% NAACP, 89% HRC, 82% NEA, 60% ACLU, 35% Chamber of Commerce. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #27

Being on the right side of social issues isn't populist eridani Apr 2014 #35

Historically speaking... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #38

Populism can be racist, but its core is economic justice eridani Apr 2014 #42

I really made a false comparison... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #58

Equality of wages, social or populist? joshcryer Apr 2014 #46

Populist n/t eridani Apr 2014 #74

Green / sustainable energy? Social or populist? joshcryer Apr 2014 #76

Economic, therefore populist n/t eridani Apr 2014 #113

Being against CAFTA, social or populist? joshcryer Apr 2014 #114

Ultrapopuulist! n/t eridani Apr 2014 #117

For BCRA, social or populist? joshcryer Apr 2014 #115

BHVPA, social or populist? joshcryer Apr 2014 #116

Let's have some acronym help here n/t eridani Apr 2014 #119

Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act joshcryer Apr 2014 #120

Yes, of course it's social n/t eridani Apr 2014 #121

Point taken lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #67

Geez--the CoC thinks OBAMA is a socialist, ferchrissakes. n/t eridani Apr 2014 #75

Clinton is so far to the left of Obama... joshcryer Apr 2014 #47

Which is why she is more hawkish on Iran than he is, no doubt eridani Apr 2014 #77

Her foreign policy positions are terrifying. joshcryer Apr 2014 #118

Who chose that term, "populist leaning liberal?" polichick Apr 2014 #32

Got your hip waders on? It's getting deep. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #33

Isn't a year too early for painfully stupid primary threads? LeftyMom Apr 2014 #36

Yeah, when compared to teabaggers. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #37

Hillary Clinton... populist... LittleBlue Apr 2014 #39

I see "populist" will be the new buzzword for a while, and soon it will be stretched so far to cover djean111 Apr 2014 #55

And I'm Winston Churchill .................. marmar Apr 2014 #60

Thanks, pnwmom, but looky who shows up in the thread... Hekate Apr 2014 #61

The most rightwing DUers all *attempt* to self-identify as "liberals". Romulox Apr 2014 #62

Bwahahahahahah L0oniX Apr 2014 #65

yeah and obama is a socailist dembotoz Apr 2014 #69

Interesting that when I scroll down to 'Hillary Clinton on Corporations' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #78

What a joke BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #79

trying out the Fox talking point Doctor_J Apr 2014 #81

Lol. What you said, so true! What the heck Would Warren and Sanders be if Hillary is pop lean lib? Whisp Apr 2014 #84

Warren and Sanders are evaluated at OnTheIssues website. greatlaurel Apr 2014 #85

No BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #87

lol fascisthunter Apr 2014 #80

I love how none of us are buying this, LOL! reformist2 Apr 2014 #86

Indeed BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #88

Reminder BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #89

Please link to these sites that have better models, please. greatlaurel Apr 2014 #90

Alright BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #91

Do any of these site rate political candidates based on pnwmom Apr 2014 #93

Political compass does BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #94

How can someone do it on their own without knowing about all the votes pnwmom Apr 2014 #95

Easy BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #96

I think all the charts start out with a false dichotomy pnwmom Apr 2014 #97

Not quite BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #98

The rightwing economic philosophy is a core part of Libertarianism. pnwmom Apr 2014 #99

Yes BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #100

There is nothing intrinsically less authoritarian pnwmom Apr 2014 #108

What? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #109

And when in recorded history has there been a government pnwmom Apr 2014 #110

A few times actually BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #112

There may have been "groups" in both countries, but they weren't running the country. pnwmom Apr 2014 #122

Not sure what your point is BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #144

Your OP has been attacked using the Gish Gallop greatlaurel Apr 2014 #104

Please don't insult me BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #111

This list is from the site in your OP: antiquie Apr 2014 #129

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA woo me with science Apr 2014 #92

Bernie Sanders is rated at 39% by CATO, greatlaurel Apr 2014 #101

Good point. She's the anti-CATO. n/t pnwmom Apr 2014 #124

she's a third-way centrist who facilitated war crimes in Iraq... mike_c Apr 2014 #102

Thanks for the laugh. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #123

interesting. so apparently one can be a hawk and still a populist. m-lekktor Apr 2014 #130

That boat has sailed and sunk. DeSwiss Apr 2014 #149