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6. Because somewhere, somehow, someday, the NSA just might stop a terrorist from killing someone.

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Fri Apr 11, 2014, 10:51 PM

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Why do we tolerate the NSA? [View all] MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 OP

We have a choice? Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #1

Imagine if we all chose a day, and disconnected from everything, and turned in our cable boxes. TheNutcracker Apr 2014 #33

You just described pre-1992 Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #38

BLACKMAIL!!!! billhicks76 Apr 2014 #34

"It's like keeping measles as a pet." I LOVE that. Perfect. Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #2

Because we're in control of them. ileus Apr 2014 #3

You say that as if Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #4

Because they do NONE OF THE ABOVE. jazzimov Apr 2014 #5

How many terror plots have been foiled by their MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #8

Manny, we've known about bulk metadata phone record collection since 2006 Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #12

Was that my question? MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #13

It's just interesting how you're only outraged about it now when there's a Democratic President. Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #20

Still trying to hijack this subthread. MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #26

The subject of your OP is the NSA and you brought up metadata phone record collection Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #37

shame on you. nt grasswire Apr 2014 #41

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Apr 2014 #57

Yes. Some of us knew a little about the Meta-Data Collection in 2006, bvar22 Apr 2014 #68

How's the sand looking down below? Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #9

lol fascisthunter Apr 2014 #72

Because somewhere, somehow, someday, the NSA just might stop a terrorist from killing someone. Vattel Apr 2014 #6

meanwhile, 100,000 a year are killed and injured by gun violence, but that's ok because it tastes pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #30

Get with the program. No one really dies unless they are killed by a terrorist. Vattel Apr 2014 #44

Agent Mike says... 99Forever Apr 2014 #7

Because foreign intelligence is important? Egnever Apr 2014 #10

Especially to Wall St. So important in fact, that Wall St. ran the proto-CIA for 2 years... Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #15

To a lot of things Egnever Apr 2014 #17

To guard the secret of The Bomb. Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #11

I lived at Ft Meade throughout Vietnam. My dad worked there. w8liftinglady Apr 2014 #14

I think we learned especially during WW2 the need to apply goldent Apr 2014 #16

Well said Egnever Apr 2014 #18

Not just firm oversight Android3.14 Apr 2014 #22

I agree the public should know what is in the remit of the NSA and goldent Apr 2014 #39

Of course MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #23

lol - China, N. Korea, Iran, India et al would agree. You might just say it is more important pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #31

Agree! Also, yes, it needs firm oversight. For many there has been too much trust, that can RKP5637 Apr 2014 #55

, blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #19

You know why Manny..... DeSwiss Apr 2014 #21

That's a pretty healthy attitude to have. adirondacker Apr 2014 #32

We like to think they're on our side..... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #24

we don't, but the conservative infection sweeping the Democratic Party does and it is a pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #25

I don't tolerate it. I just have no power over it. Demeter Apr 2014 #27

Besides, if we didn't spend billions spying on each other, we'd just spend it sending more jobs and pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #28

As if you hadnt heard, there has been a coup and apparently you werent invited. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #29

They have a legitimate mission. moondust Apr 2014 #35

They keep us safe...from ourselves. We can't be trusted to know what "our" government does. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #36

Doesn't the NSA work covertly on international security? JohnnyRingo Apr 2014 #40

The Internet is the greatest tool in our arsenal. Maedhros Apr 2014 #42

I really don't propose anyone discard the tech of the 21st century. JohnnyRingo Apr 2014 #73

I can see your point. Maedhros Apr 2014 #75

And yet I get the word liberal spit in my face often enough. JohnnyRingo Apr 2014 #77

�One need not destroy one�s enemy. One only needs to destroy his willingness to engage�� Pholus Apr 2014 #43

A poorly reasoned NSA purity defense. Apology not accepted, but we'll sent you a "NSA Ranger" badge, pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #46

I should apologize anyway. JohnnyRingo Apr 2014 #69

You always had to be worried about speaking openly on the phone about drug deals goldent Apr 2014 #48

NSA program stopped no terrorist attacks says White House review panel Oilwellian Apr 2014 #54

+1000000 treestar Apr 2014 #67

Our energy is better spent on something besides tilting at windmills. randome Apr 2014 #45

But you DO mean it as a defense of NSA, just as with all of your NSA posts. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #47

And yet you don't dispute the substance of my post. randome Apr 2014 #49

The OP asks why we should put up with NSA. You ranted about Snowden. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #50

There is nothing Snowden has 'revealed' that supports your assertion. randome Apr 2014 #53

defending the law of the land, the Constitution questionseverything Apr 2014 #52

Without evidence to the contrary, there is no reason to assume this is being done... randome Apr 2014 #56

we have plenty of evidence questionseverything Apr 2014 #58

I would think that where the IRS is concerned... randome Apr 2014 #59

it is hard for me to imagine a "real" person questionseverything Apr 2014 #61

Oh, I'm real enough. randome Apr 2014 #66

Stop that rational nonsense. JohnnyRingo Apr 2014 #74

The Answer - The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Need Federal Spies To Protect Global Interests cantbeserious Apr 2014 #51

I would rather have the paranoids ranting about the NSA... gulliver Apr 2014 #60

Stated with just the right amount of sarcasm that I think even Manny would approve! randome Apr 2014 #62

Perhaps the same reason we tolerate so many abuses, we are overwhelmed. The more info Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #63

Because they are of, by and for the people? L0oniX Apr 2014 #64

I'm ready for the next Benghazi. ucrdem Apr 2014 #65

The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants. Albert Camus Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #70

Who cares about the NSA? That Edward Snowden guy is a traitor!!!111 Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #71

I don't see the question as having much practical value. cheapdate Apr 2014 #76