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Bernardo de La Paz

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35. Since the body heals itself all the time, placebo effects just invoke that power.

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 03:14 PM

Apr 2014

Obviously the body can't do a heart transplant on its own, but the placebo effect is very effective.

When doctors did a placebo study of arthroscopic knee surgery, including fake incisions and clinic banter with the nurses, etc., the placebo recipients did better than the people who actually got the surgery.

The fact remains, homeopathy is harmful junk because it keeps some people away from proper treatment.

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Useful Information: Homeopathy doesn't mean Alternative Medicine [View all] cthulu2016 Apr 2014 OP

But the true believers don't care about facts. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #1

And any alternative medicine that works at all is proof that all alternative medicine works Orrex Apr 2014 #2

Even if the proof is anecdotal. Liberal Veteran Apr 2014 #11

Except no one here has ever made such a claim. pnwmom Apr 2014 #23

I sincerely doubt that you or the OP have really studied "the facts" AikidoSoul Apr 2014 #43

Samuel Hahnemann pulled Homeopathy out of his ass MattBaggins Apr 2014 #45

Ad hominem attacks are the tool of those who hope to convince others by crude AikidoSoul Apr 2014 #56

I did not ad hominem anyone but Prince Charles MattBaggins Apr 2014 #57

Well no wonder! You were using "basic high school science". AikidoSoul Apr 2014 #63

Only "one ad hominem attack"? AikidoSoul Apr 2014 #65

Just so you know, "ad hominem attack" is basically a redundancy. enki23 Apr 2014 #115

quackery is quackery, no matter what you think. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #59

You were wise to put quotes around "the facts" cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #60

That's what you do when you quote someone's excerpt AikidoSoul Apr 2014 #67

My dear Aikido Soul, pangaia Apr 2014 #84

Hmmm....somebody who can think and analyse@ AikidoSoul Apr 2014 #85

Aikido helped teach me that often pangaia Apr 2014 #87

Homeopathy and holistic "medicine" are snake oil products peddled by swindlers JJChambers Apr 2014 #3

define holistic medicine for us then�. dhill926 Apr 2014 #4

Holistic medicine simply means... MoonchildCA Apr 2014 #12

If you have a hole in your head, you think that "holistic medicine" is equivalent to homeopathy. pnwmom Apr 2014 #25

Holistic medicine has nothing to do with homeopathy. Kinda clueless to lump them together. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #31

So the body is supposed to produce whatever is lacking in the dilution? Rex Apr 2014 #5

Google "water memory" Major Nikon Apr 2014 #9

I rather like that one. Therefore, tap water is a universal cure. -nt Liberal Veteran Apr 2014 #13

Yup... SidDithers Apr 2014 #15

A chiropractor near me is advertising chiropractic for babies. Archae Apr 2014 #6

There are good chiropractors, but unfortunately some of them are woo-peddlers. chrisa Apr 2014 #8

A "good" chiropracter sells an overpriced, friendly placebo for a back ache. enki23 Apr 2014 #17

NIH funded research has shown that chiropractic manipulations pnwmom Apr 2014 #28

Oh, holy shit, "may go beyond placebo!" (in select studies, for particular endpoints...) enki23 Apr 2014 #30

So may Tylenol and Advil. Neither of which could touch my son's pain. pnwmom Apr 2014 #40

Keep on fighting the good fight, enki23 Patiod Apr 2014 #106

snort Scout Apr 2014 #113

No-one argues that Chiropracty is good at manipulating the spine intaglio Apr 2014 #34

Lots of people seem to argue that. The manipulations were developed pnwmom Apr 2014 #90

Note that I did NOT deny that chiropracty has limited use intaglio Apr 2014 #94

Bullshit MattBaggins Apr 2014 #47

"Bullshit studies" by doctors at top research institutions. pnwmom Apr 2014 #91

Osteopathic physicians, at least in states I am COLGATE4 Apr 2014 #52

That's true. tammywammy Apr 2014 #66

The spinal manipulations were "borrowed" by chiropractors from practices pnwmom Apr 2014 #92

bullshit Scout Apr 2014 #112

Changes visible on x-rays? Seriously? enki23 Apr 2014 #114

snort--not "somebody's" back x-ray ... my back and neck. Scout Apr 2014 #119

+1e100 phantom power Apr 2014 #7

You are obviously a tool for Big Pharma. Let us have our magic water! tritsofme Apr 2014 #10

Good information. Nine Apr 2014 #14

I'm all for the placebo effect. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #16

It is risk. vs. reward. CSStrowbridge Apr 2014 #18

They most likely wouldn't anyway. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #24

There is no such thing as allopathic MattBaggins Apr 2014 #50

Funny, my ex-husband, an MD, always did. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #71

It's not a good outcome skepticscott Apr 2014 #19

Keep in mind who's doing it. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #26

Since the body heals itself all the time, placebo effects just invoke that power. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #35

See, that's funny Boreal Apr 2014 #38

Not funny, sorry about your brothers, and I advise you study more logic. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #81

Those of us in real medical professions MattBaggins Apr 2014 #49

Which is why you can't give placebos. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #72

pretending that taking medicine as prescribed is not a leading cause of death in America KittyWampus Apr 2014 #103

That in no way shape or form justfies MattBaggins Apr 2014 #108

I am an Herbologist . I've taken herbs for years . They work . What category is Herbology under ? geretogo Apr 2014 #20

The OP is not about categories cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #22

I have some back pain tablets that work that say homeopathy on the bottle . As long as I have read geretogo Apr 2014 #32

Check the actual ingredient list and pay attention to the concentrations they claim MattBaggins Apr 2014 #51

All are 6x , one is 12x in a 300mg tab . Asprin and Tylinol are more potent but they are also bad geretogo Apr 2014 #73

Aspirin and Tylenol are not bad for your liver elias7 Apr 2014 #104

"I am an Herbologist" Boreal Apr 2014 #37

Right on ! geretogo Apr 2014 #39

Here in lies the conundrum MattBaggins Apr 2014 #53

Thank you. Could give 2 craps what others do to their bodies but people making false claims maddezmom Apr 2014 #58

Spare me Boreal Apr 2014 #70

High Five . geretogo Apr 2014 #76

+100000 pangaia Apr 2014 #86

"Your choice" is indeed your choice, but that has nothing to do with what works or not. Silent3 Apr 2014 #101

"Alternative medicine" is just a term to scam and bamboozle skepticscott Apr 2014 #21

You might want to talk to the NEJM about that. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #27

Yes. Thank you. 840high Apr 2014 #93

Except herbs . Have been taking for years . My check ups are 10's . geretogo Apr 2014 #41

I have been successfully Boreal Apr 2014 #29

The bizarre agenda of basic chemistry and physics? Okay. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #33

This is called anecdotal evidence intaglio Apr 2014 #36

There are scams . You must research any product before buying . Herbs have been helping people since geretogo Apr 2014 #46

We're talking homeopathy not plant medicines intaglio Apr 2014 #74

They are all with in the dose guide lines used by other people over many years . I get my blood geretogo Apr 2014 #75

So you are using pharmacologically prepared herbal medicies intaglio Apr 2014 #82

I grow alot of my own herbs . I either take them in tea form or dry them and put in capsules . geretogo Apr 2014 #83

+1 pangaia Apr 2014 #88

If you are using your own herbs then you have no way of controling the dosage of active ingredient intaglio Apr 2014 #95

Of course you can find Boreal Apr 2014 #61

I second that . geretogo Apr 2014 #77

You haven't actually bothered looking at the abstracts, have you? intaglio Apr 2014 #78

The secret is : Do your own Research . geretogo Apr 2014 #42

That's exactly right nt Boreal Apr 2014 #69

Do your own research, gravitating toward what you already want to hear... Silent3 Apr 2014 #102

What was treated? maddezmom Apr 2014 #44

Thanks for asking Boreal Apr 2014 #68

Thanks for Asking!! hobie Apr 2014 #97

1) Anecdotal evidence is utterly worthless in a scientific context NuclearDem Apr 2014 #54

You don't get to dissemble Boreal Apr 2014 #62

"You may have also insulted any Hindu members with your remark about reincarnation." NuclearDem Apr 2014 #64

They work for me to . Like the saying goes ," don't knock it till you've tried it " . geretogo Apr 2014 #79

I doubt any Hindi would take the time to be offended. pangaia Apr 2014 #89

Homeopathy violates basic LAWS of physics and chemistry MattBaggins Apr 2014 #55

You're dissecting a human hair . Just go with what works for you . geretogo Apr 2014 #80

I suspect homeopathy is a faulty mental model spun-off from valid concepts kristopher Apr 2014 #48

Nothing at all crazy about homeopahty. I will defend always. mackerel Apr 2014 #96

Which is some seriously crazy shit TransitJohn Apr 2014 #98

I gave that arnica stuff a try years ago and it didn't do a damn thing. eShirl Apr 2014 #99

If you'd taken half as much, it would have worked twice as well Orrex Apr 2014 #100

Homeopathy violates the basic rules of the universe, water doesn't have memory... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #105

Homeopathy is nothing but crazy MattBaggins Apr 2014 #109

Diluting it to zero concentration to treat illness? Crazy. n/t Orsino Apr 2014 #121

it's all pseudoscience to me... JCMach1 Apr 2014 #107

Ok spout your AMA lines that's cool. mackerel Apr 2014 #110

I hope that your lady client doesn't develop COLGATE4 Apr 2014 #111

Disclaimer was in I'm not a doctor. mackerel Apr 2014 #117

The disclaimer doesn't mean anything. You don't COLGATE4 Apr 2014 #118

Homeopathy can be a useful tool OnionPatch Apr 2014 #116

^^^ A sensible view cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #120