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Boreal

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70. Spare me

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 05:36 PM

Apr 2014

Shall we list all of the pharma drugs that have been withdrawn from the market because they've killed and disabled people - AFTER they were declared safe by the high priests of the VERY profitable industry? Or how about implanted medical devices that have harmed and killed - AFTER they were declared safe? Oh, wait, I couldn't begin to list them because if would require hundreds of pages to do it. Don't talk to me about bullshitting. The med-pharma complex has that covered in spades.

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Useful Information: Homeopathy doesn't mean Alternative Medicine [View all] cthulu2016 Apr 2014 OP

But the true believers don't care about facts. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #1

And any alternative medicine that works at all is proof that all alternative medicine works Orrex Apr 2014 #2

Even if the proof is anecdotal. Liberal Veteran Apr 2014 #11

Except no one here has ever made such a claim. pnwmom Apr 2014 #23

I sincerely doubt that you or the OP have really studied "the facts" AikidoSoul Apr 2014 #43

Samuel Hahnemann pulled Homeopathy out of his ass MattBaggins Apr 2014 #45

Ad hominem attacks are the tool of those who hope to convince others by crude AikidoSoul Apr 2014 #56

I did not ad hominem anyone but Prince Charles MattBaggins Apr 2014 #57

Well no wonder! You were using "basic high school science". AikidoSoul Apr 2014 #63

Only "one ad hominem attack"? AikidoSoul Apr 2014 #65

Just so you know, "ad hominem attack" is basically a redundancy. enki23 Apr 2014 #115

quackery is quackery, no matter what you think. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #59

You were wise to put quotes around "the facts" cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #60

That's what you do when you quote someone's excerpt AikidoSoul Apr 2014 #67

My dear Aikido Soul, pangaia Apr 2014 #84

Hmmm....somebody who can think and analyse@ AikidoSoul Apr 2014 #85

Aikido helped teach me that often pangaia Apr 2014 #87

Homeopathy and holistic "medicine" are snake oil products peddled by swindlers JJChambers Apr 2014 #3

define holistic medicine for us then�. dhill926 Apr 2014 #4

Holistic medicine simply means... MoonchildCA Apr 2014 #12

If you have a hole in your head, you think that "holistic medicine" is equivalent to homeopathy. pnwmom Apr 2014 #25

Holistic medicine has nothing to do with homeopathy. Kinda clueless to lump them together. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #31

So the body is supposed to produce whatever is lacking in the dilution? Rex Apr 2014 #5

Google "water memory" Major Nikon Apr 2014 #9

I rather like that one. Therefore, tap water is a universal cure. -nt Liberal Veteran Apr 2014 #13

Yup... SidDithers Apr 2014 #15

A chiropractor near me is advertising chiropractic for babies. Archae Apr 2014 #6

There are good chiropractors, but unfortunately some of them are woo-peddlers. chrisa Apr 2014 #8

A "good" chiropracter sells an overpriced, friendly placebo for a back ache. enki23 Apr 2014 #17

NIH funded research has shown that chiropractic manipulations pnwmom Apr 2014 #28

Oh, holy shit, "may go beyond placebo!" (in select studies, for particular endpoints...) enki23 Apr 2014 #30

So may Tylenol and Advil. Neither of which could touch my son's pain. pnwmom Apr 2014 #40

Keep on fighting the good fight, enki23 Patiod Apr 2014 #106

snort Scout Apr 2014 #113

No-one argues that Chiropracty is good at manipulating the spine intaglio Apr 2014 #34

Lots of people seem to argue that. The manipulations were developed pnwmom Apr 2014 #90

Note that I did NOT deny that chiropracty has limited use intaglio Apr 2014 #94

Bullshit MattBaggins Apr 2014 #47

"Bullshit studies" by doctors at top research institutions. pnwmom Apr 2014 #91

Osteopathic physicians, at least in states I am COLGATE4 Apr 2014 #52

That's true. tammywammy Apr 2014 #66

The spinal manipulations were "borrowed" by chiropractors from practices pnwmom Apr 2014 #92

bullshit Scout Apr 2014 #112

Changes visible on x-rays? Seriously? enki23 Apr 2014 #114

snort--not "somebody's" back x-ray ... my back and neck. Scout Apr 2014 #119

+1e100 phantom power Apr 2014 #7

You are obviously a tool for Big Pharma. Let us have our magic water! tritsofme Apr 2014 #10

Good information. Nine Apr 2014 #14

I'm all for the placebo effect. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #16

It is risk. vs. reward. CSStrowbridge Apr 2014 #18

They most likely wouldn't anyway. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #24

There is no such thing as allopathic MattBaggins Apr 2014 #50

Funny, my ex-husband, an MD, always did. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #71

It's not a good outcome skepticscott Apr 2014 #19

Keep in mind who's doing it. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #26

Since the body heals itself all the time, placebo effects just invoke that power. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #35

See, that's funny Boreal Apr 2014 #38

Not funny, sorry about your brothers, and I advise you study more logic. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #81

Those of us in real medical professions MattBaggins Apr 2014 #49

Which is why you can't give placebos. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #72

pretending that taking medicine as prescribed is not a leading cause of death in America KittyWampus Apr 2014 #103

That in no way shape or form justfies MattBaggins Apr 2014 #108

I am an Herbologist . I've taken herbs for years . They work . What category is Herbology under ? geretogo Apr 2014 #20

The OP is not about categories cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #22

I have some back pain tablets that work that say homeopathy on the bottle . As long as I have read geretogo Apr 2014 #32

Check the actual ingredient list and pay attention to the concentrations they claim MattBaggins Apr 2014 #51

All are 6x , one is 12x in a 300mg tab . Asprin and Tylinol are more potent but they are also bad geretogo Apr 2014 #73

Aspirin and Tylenol are not bad for your liver elias7 Apr 2014 #104

"I am an Herbologist" Boreal Apr 2014 #37

Right on ! geretogo Apr 2014 #39

Here in lies the conundrum MattBaggins Apr 2014 #53

Thank you. Could give 2 craps what others do to their bodies but people making false claims maddezmom Apr 2014 #58

Spare me Boreal Apr 2014 #70

High Five . geretogo Apr 2014 #76

+100000 pangaia Apr 2014 #86

"Your choice" is indeed your choice, but that has nothing to do with what works or not. Silent3 Apr 2014 #101

"Alternative medicine" is just a term to scam and bamboozle skepticscott Apr 2014 #21

You might want to talk to the NEJM about that. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #27

Yes. Thank you. 840high Apr 2014 #93

Except herbs . Have been taking for years . My check ups are 10's . geretogo Apr 2014 #41

I have been successfully Boreal Apr 2014 #29

The bizarre agenda of basic chemistry and physics? Okay. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #33

This is called anecdotal evidence intaglio Apr 2014 #36

There are scams . You must research any product before buying . Herbs have been helping people since geretogo Apr 2014 #46

We're talking homeopathy not plant medicines intaglio Apr 2014 #74

They are all with in the dose guide lines used by other people over many years . I get my blood geretogo Apr 2014 #75

So you are using pharmacologically prepared herbal medicies intaglio Apr 2014 #82

I grow alot of my own herbs . I either take them in tea form or dry them and put in capsules . geretogo Apr 2014 #83

+1 pangaia Apr 2014 #88

If you are using your own herbs then you have no way of controling the dosage of active ingredient intaglio Apr 2014 #95

Of course you can find Boreal Apr 2014 #61

I second that . geretogo Apr 2014 #77

You haven't actually bothered looking at the abstracts, have you? intaglio Apr 2014 #78

The secret is : Do your own Research . geretogo Apr 2014 #42

That's exactly right nt Boreal Apr 2014 #69

Do your own research, gravitating toward what you already want to hear... Silent3 Apr 2014 #102

What was treated? maddezmom Apr 2014 #44

Thanks for asking Boreal Apr 2014 #68

Thanks for Asking!! hobie Apr 2014 #97

1) Anecdotal evidence is utterly worthless in a scientific context NuclearDem Apr 2014 #54

You don't get to dissemble Boreal Apr 2014 #62

"You may have also insulted any Hindu members with your remark about reincarnation." NuclearDem Apr 2014 #64

They work for me to . Like the saying goes ," don't knock it till you've tried it " . geretogo Apr 2014 #79

I doubt any Hindi would take the time to be offended. pangaia Apr 2014 #89

Homeopathy violates basic LAWS of physics and chemistry MattBaggins Apr 2014 #55

You're dissecting a human hair . Just go with what works for you . geretogo Apr 2014 #80

I suspect homeopathy is a faulty mental model spun-off from valid concepts kristopher Apr 2014 #48

Nothing at all crazy about homeopahty. I will defend always. mackerel Apr 2014 #96

Which is some seriously crazy shit TransitJohn Apr 2014 #98

I gave that arnica stuff a try years ago and it didn't do a damn thing. eShirl Apr 2014 #99

If you'd taken half as much, it would have worked twice as well Orrex Apr 2014 #100

Homeopathy violates the basic rules of the universe, water doesn't have memory... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #105

Homeopathy is nothing but crazy MattBaggins Apr 2014 #109

Diluting it to zero concentration to treat illness? Crazy. n/t Orsino Apr 2014 #121

it's all pseudoscience to me... JCMach1 Apr 2014 #107

Ok spout your AMA lines that's cool. mackerel Apr 2014 #110

I hope that your lady client doesn't develop COLGATE4 Apr 2014 #111

Disclaimer was in I'm not a doctor. mackerel Apr 2014 #117

The disclaimer doesn't mean anything. You don't COLGATE4 Apr 2014 #118

Homeopathy can be a useful tool OnionPatch Apr 2014 #116

^^^ A sensible view cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #120