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nadinbrzezinski

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113. It is not a desire for bloodshed

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 06:45 PM

Apr 2014

I cover rural areas, and I get exactly where the OP is coming from. The old saying, give them an inch and they will take a mile comes to mind.

Of the top of my head I can think of ten folks in my back country that are getting the exact wrong message on this one. So this has the potential of leading to more of these incidents, not less.

It is truly hard rock, and hard place. Ruby Ridge is part of the mythology, but so is the we will fight the damn Feds, who are extremely evil, every time we have a chance. Well, from their POV, they just won. That will embolden them. Ruby Ridge, they did not win.

And trust me, as a former paramedic I abhor violence. This is way out of area of coverage and I sent it to my editor since this is one of those that can have unintended consequences where we travel.

It is also quite a bit of urban vs rural. I live in an urban setting, and most of my neighbors do not really get the danger of the far right hate groups (not just militia) that are part of quite a bit of the rural landscape (and to be fair my local beach bum community}

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Hey America! Don't like some law? Get together a couple hundred of your friends with guns! [View all] MohRokTah Apr 2014 OP

OWS take note. nt HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #1

Read the fine print. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #2

Wrong. Offer only valid to heavily-armed group. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #5

Yeah right. RedCappedBandit Apr 2014 #53

How did unarmed unions do before acquiring mafia muscle? HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #152

Beg to differ. I've seen how well the Bureau of Land Management maintains publicly owned lands out ancianita Apr 2014 #150

How are we differing? HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #155

The BLM isn't a security group, doesn't have the authority or firepower to stand up to guns. It's ancianita Apr 2014 #166

Thank you for your post, anicanita. Cha Apr 2014 #194

Well said. And that's where we are. And if we don't get seriously ballyhoo Apr 2014 #165

That's what I got out of the whole ordeal. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #3

Lol BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #4

Although to be fair BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #6

It also helps to have Fox News on your side. CJCRANE Apr 2014 #7

You really believe that this moran's stunt was worthy of... 99Forever Apr 2014 #8

You really think letting hundreds of gun toting terrorists believe the threat of violence MohRokTah Apr 2014 #9

These jackasses were spoiling for a confrontation. 99Forever Apr 2014 #15

IF by "more complicated" you mean Bundy gets the money MohRokTah Apr 2014 #16

Yeah, that's what "I meant." 99Forever Apr 2014 #17

News flash MohRokTah Apr 2014 #21

Thank you Judge MohRokTah. 99Forever Apr 2014 #31

Wait and see. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #33

Nope, I want to see right now! 99Forever Apr 2014 #36

Or embolden Aerows Apr 2014 #126

Just the opposite. Their lives are to become much more ballyhoo Apr 2014 #168

Settle down, Francis. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #18

Condecension as ad hominem. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #20

You're running around waving your arms in panic that thousands will be killed. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #23

Embolden violent terrorists. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #25

Embolden violent authoritarianism and despotism ensues. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #32

Then we have nothing further to discuss. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #34

The civil rights movement was based on civil disobedience. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #41

This!!!! SCUBANOW Apr 2014 #51

Yep, you pick your battles. Brigid Apr 2014 #54

These are words to live by....at least they once were. But I've changed my mind of snappyturtle Apr 2014 #115

Like my signature says -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #131

I'm not advocating violence but letting the 'authorities' know when pushed, shoved, snappyturtle Apr 2014 #162

If by "we" you mean you and me as taxpayer owners of that land, hell yeah, not one inch to squatters ancianita Apr 2014 #157

I certainly did not. I'd like to see some sources for Bundy having made millions of snappyturtle Apr 2014 #164

Yep, satisfied. And I agree with you. This vigilante band thinks this is his land. That "issue," ancianita Apr 2014 #167

Excuse me. My guess would be they didn't like the tactics of the BLM against snappyturtle Apr 2014 #171

This guy owns a ranch. He owns double the number of cattle the BLM allows on that acreage. Cattle. ancianita Apr 2014 #172

My, my, my. 25% of your posts in Gun Control/RKBA. Paladin Apr 2014 #71

"Imagine my lack of surprise......" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #125

A "poisoning the well" fallacy. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #202

He wins this one. And they now know to bring 100s more to the next showdown. Stupid to back off. nt Logical Apr 2014 #68

That's the truth....as well as adding 100's more ranchers Curmudgeoness Apr 2014 #112

Great point! n-t Logical Apr 2014 #161

where are our devout 2A supporters? CTyankee Apr 2014 #10

These idiots have been talking about "second amendment solutions" for years. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #11

funny that they ain't here, isn't it? CTyankee Apr 2014 #12

All ti takes to fight a federal agent is a few assholes with guns. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #14

LOL, you are so transparent Electric Monk Apr 2014 #26

It worked for the milita terrorists in Nevada. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #27

Not really. The BLM just doesn't fight trespassers. They take them to court, is all. This is theater ancianita Apr 2014 #174

Me too Boreal Apr 2014 #28

And then they'll be replaced by right wing militias Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #128

This is what we're in for. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #130

Want to get really scared? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #138

Isn't that the nutbag that claims Milton Friedman was a socialist? MohRokTah Apr 2014 #142

More common in the right than you might think BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #148

And most people around this country have no idea of any of this nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #191

I can definitely see that scenario emerging. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #149

Great. Corporate "death squads." Where in hell are the lawyers. ancianita Apr 2014 #175

This is all those cute birdies we let loose coming home to roost nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #192

Millions of Americans Boreal Apr 2014 #136

I won't argue with you. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #154

The Department of Education has a SWAT team to deal with the Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #30

The US doesn't have rule of law. ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #108

I support the 2A - I do not support Bundy or his dipshit supporters. hack89 Apr 2014 #107

then what do you think should be done to stop him? CTyankee Apr 2014 #110

Wait to the situation calms down hack89 Apr 2014 #111

I agree, no violence. But it is nice to hear your solution to this guy... CTyankee Apr 2014 #114

Please don't put words in my mouth hack89 Apr 2014 #117

well, fine. That's nice, too. I approve. CTyankee Apr 2014 #119

I can't tell you how much that means to me hack89 Apr 2014 #121

well, my parents told me to be polite... CTyankee Apr 2014 #122

You are getting better at it. Nt hack89 Apr 2014 #124

I'm a feisty third generation Texan so be advised about my nice-ness... CTyankee Apr 2014 #129

2A is the law of the land until repealed or modified. agbdf Apr 2014 #159

Count me out... KansDem Apr 2014 #13

I'm confused--why can't this guy be arrested? TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #19

They can Dwayne Hicks Apr 2014 #24

Bundy won't be arrested. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #29

It's up to an agent on site to decide whether someone will be TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #35

This entire thing has been a civil matter from the beginning MohRokTah Apr 2014 #37

Armed resistance against agents of the government isn't a civil matter. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #39

Show where Bundy himself was involved in armed resistence. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #42

I guess we'll find out if federal charges are brought. I think he will go to jail. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #44

I think a few of the militia assholes will be arrested in a few weeks, maybe. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #45

Oh, we'll have to see. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #47

What? Dwayne Hicks Apr 2014 #38

Actually, there were no direct threats made by Bundy. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #40

Yes, I agree agbdf Apr 2014 #137

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Apr 2014 #193

Nope. He can be arrested for defying this court order which overrides some witnessed "talk." ancianita Apr 2014 #176

When? After 21 more years? nt Logical Apr 2014 #69

They've reached an agreement with him. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #43

Did they make either overt or implied threats of violence or present weapons? TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #46

Do not confuse the militia assholes for Bundy. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #48

Conspiracy to commit. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #49

The feds would have to prove prior contact MohRokTah Apr 2014 #50

I think they will find he directed some of these clowns, enlisted their help, fed them, TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #52

This isn't about contracts. This is about the original BLM permit. Permit. This was reported two ancianita Apr 2014 #181

Arrested on what charge? agbdf Apr 2014 #205

Worked in Kiev nt Boreal Apr 2014 #22

Curious... tazkcmo Apr 2014 #55

Curious... MohRokTah Apr 2014 #56

From you tazkcmo Apr 2014 #63

As a lawyer please do not get your legal help from arm chair DU 'lawyers'. former9thward Apr 2014 #70

lol ty tazkcmo Apr 2014 #76

Yes, as long as you know it is worth what you are being charged ... former9thward Apr 2014 #78

No problem tazkcmo Apr 2014 #81

I have an understanding of contract law. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #74

An "understanding" huh? tazkcmo Apr 2014 #79

That is how contract law works MohRokTah Apr 2014 #82

See post 79. n/t tazkcmo Apr 2014 #87

See post 82. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #88

You are funny. tazkcmo Apr 2014 #90

I'm really trying to understand why he's so eager for bloodshed? IronGate Apr 2014 #91

Maybe tazkcmo Apr 2014 #92

Could be. IronGate Apr 2014 #95

I don't know but I'm pretty sure of one thing -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #132

Wife is an attorney MohRokTah Apr 2014 #94

Good for you both. tazkcmo Apr 2014 #96

It's good to be employed. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #98

Good luck to you. tazkcmo Apr 2014 #100

Thanks MohRokTah Apr 2014 #102

Sure I can. I hate your job already! tazkcmo Apr 2014 #106

This is what happens when we allow a bunch of right wing haters to arm up. Hoyt Apr 2014 #57

PRecisely MohRokTah Apr 2014 #58

Yep. The BLM should be disarmed. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #60

right sweetapogee Apr 2014 #93

The "never back down" mentality got us Ruby Ridge and Waco. I'm glad the gov backed down LittleBlue Apr 2014 #59

I beg to differ, violence WAS the answer here. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #61

Hundreds or thousands would have died LittleBlue Apr 2014 #64

there were maybe 3 hundred armed terrorists. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #72

Aaaaand that's why you're not making these decisions LittleBlue Apr 2014 #83

This administration is playing it smart. No Janet Renos. No Martyrs BlueStreak Apr 2014 #173

Thank goodness you are not in charge of anything. former9thward Apr 2014 #75

So you disagree that the threat of the use of violence was how the terrorists won? MohRokTah Apr 2014 #77

My sky is full of colors. former9thward Apr 2014 #85

Not necessarily so. New Mexico citizens I've met in Albuquerque and Silver City speak well of BLM. ancianita Apr 2014 #185

Well, we know what color the sky is in your world. IronGate Apr 2014 #86

I think more people are worried Texasgal Apr 2014 #104

That's PR. That's not how it's really going to go down. ancianita Apr 2014 #178

Violence is never the answer. 840high Apr 2014 #180

It was this time. n/t Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #187

In this case, that decision will come back to hunt all of us nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #101

Yeah, racist gun trafficker Weaver hid behind his wife and kids. Feds gave Hoyt Apr 2014 #123

It is and it worked. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #145

You guys aren't really SevenSixtyTwo Apr 2014 #62

Your posts emit an unsettling aura of disappointment Union Scribe Apr 2014 #65

My posts are due to a disappointment MohRokTah Apr 2014 #66

Oh bull. IronGate Apr 2014 #73

I'm trying to understand why he is so eager for a shootout. IronGate Apr 2014 #67

You noticed that also oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #127

Do you remember Elian Gonzales? Savannahmann Apr 2014 #80

The federal government was NOT bashing people MohRokTah Apr 2014 #84

The court ordered the surrender of Elian Gonzales too. Savannahmann Apr 2014 #89

Guys with guns came and got Elian... PoliticAverse Apr 2014 #158

I never said they didn't. Savannahmann Apr 2014 #186

Yes, I remember it very well. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #183

You sure are bloodthirsty, OP Boreal Apr 2014 #97

Ad hominems. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #99

said the guy running around claiming terrorists are going to kill thousands. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #133

I am sure glad I do not do alerts nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #103

I guess you're right Boreal Apr 2014 #109

It is not a desire for bloodshed nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #113

Too bad posts cannot be recommended MohRokTah Apr 2014 #120

Well, sorry but Boreal Apr 2014 #182

Don't take my word for it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #190

Somehow 2naSalit Apr 2014 #196

For the record, but that is because of the area we cover nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #105

I strongly disagree with you, ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #116

I hate being right on this sort of shit, too. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #118

if a black, Hispanic, Muslim Militia tried his, would it not have been forcefully ended? politicman Apr 2014 #134

This has been my point all along MohRokTah Apr 2014 #135

You can bet that they will use this tactic in the future. Moses2SandyKoufax Apr 2014 #140

They're already plotting use of the armed terrorist tactic. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #146

Yeah well, Moses2SandyKoufax Apr 2014 #156

Agreed BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #160

I guess the lesson out of this is that any new OWS movements should arm themselves? politicman Apr 2014 #141

OWS would be slaughtered if they did. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #143

"progressives adn liberals need not attempt." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #147

isnt that an indictment on how the feds let this armed group get their way politicman Apr 2014 #151

It definitely is an indictment on the whole situation. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #153

Much of this militia WAS Hispanic. That was covered yesterday. n/t JJChambers Apr 2014 #139

Ok the, if it was a Muslim Militia, would this have happened? politicman Apr 2014 #144

Hell no. There wouldn't be an argument. Muslims would respect federal land law and would have ancianita Apr 2014 #163

my hypothetical was to show the absurdity of letting this armed wing nut group.. politicman Apr 2014 #169

Ah, sorry I missed the ironic note there. You're absolutely right; the sympathy here is misplaced. ancianita Apr 2014 #170

Good job DashOneBravo Apr 2014 #177

Now that the government has capitulated to insurection, we better expect it everytime the RW doesn't Taitertots Apr 2014 #179

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #184

Yeah because AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #188

Only a couple hundred *rightwing* friends. If you're a Fred Hampton, say, villager Apr 2014 #189

Let me add this just for fun nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #195

Welcome to the age of emboldened white wing nutbags waging an open shooting war. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #197

I know, you know, I stopped writing a novel involving militias nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #198

... maddezmom Apr 2014 #201

Another reason guns need to be restricted. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #199

OK, something tells me I missed something. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2014 #200

In Roberts America CFLDem Apr 2014 #203

I don't understand LynnTTT Apr 2014 #204