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159. 2A is the law of the land until repealed or modified.

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 08:09 PM

Apr 2014

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled, in District of Columbia v. Heller, that the Second Amendment applies to individuals and not just those serving in a government militia. However, the courts have consistently allowed for reasonable regulation of gun possession and gun sales. The way to get around the Second Amendment is to repeal it. I have never had an interest in owning or firing a gun but, until there is a change, debating the validity of the Second Amendment is just as futile as debating those of the First, Third, Fourth - and so on.

The reasonable regulations of firearms allowed under the Second Amendment are to encourage responsible gun ownership. I sincerely doubt that all of the militia members who showed up to support Bundy had responsible motives
in bringing their guns.

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Hey America! Don't like some law? Get together a couple hundred of your friends with guns! [View all] MohRokTah Apr 2014 OP

OWS take note. nt HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #1

Read the fine print. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #2

Wrong. Offer only valid to heavily-armed group. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #5

Yeah right. RedCappedBandit Apr 2014 #53

How did unarmed unions do before acquiring mafia muscle? HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #152

Beg to differ. I've seen how well the Bureau of Land Management maintains publicly owned lands out ancianita Apr 2014 #150

How are we differing? HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #155

The BLM isn't a security group, doesn't have the authority or firepower to stand up to guns. It's ancianita Apr 2014 #166

Thank you for your post, anicanita. Cha Apr 2014 #194

Well said. And that's where we are. And if we don't get seriously ballyhoo Apr 2014 #165

That's what I got out of the whole ordeal. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #3

Lol BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #4

Although to be fair BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #6

It also helps to have Fox News on your side. CJCRANE Apr 2014 #7

You really believe that this moran's stunt was worthy of... 99Forever Apr 2014 #8

You really think letting hundreds of gun toting terrorists believe the threat of violence MohRokTah Apr 2014 #9

These jackasses were spoiling for a confrontation. 99Forever Apr 2014 #15

IF by "more complicated" you mean Bundy gets the money MohRokTah Apr 2014 #16

Yeah, that's what "I meant." 99Forever Apr 2014 #17

News flash MohRokTah Apr 2014 #21

Thank you Judge MohRokTah. 99Forever Apr 2014 #31

Wait and see. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #33

Nope, I want to see right now! 99Forever Apr 2014 #36

Or embolden Aerows Apr 2014 #126

Just the opposite. Their lives are to become much more ballyhoo Apr 2014 #168

Settle down, Francis. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #18

Condecension as ad hominem. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #20

You're running around waving your arms in panic that thousands will be killed. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #23

Embolden violent terrorists. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #25

Embolden violent authoritarianism and despotism ensues. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #32

Then we have nothing further to discuss. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #34

The civil rights movement was based on civil disobedience. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #41

This!!!! SCUBANOW Apr 2014 #51

Yep, you pick your battles. Brigid Apr 2014 #54

These are words to live by....at least they once were. But I've changed my mind of snappyturtle Apr 2014 #115

Like my signature says -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #131

I'm not advocating violence but letting the 'authorities' know when pushed, shoved, snappyturtle Apr 2014 #162

If by "we" you mean you and me as taxpayer owners of that land, hell yeah, not one inch to squatters ancianita Apr 2014 #157

I certainly did not. I'd like to see some sources for Bundy having made millions of snappyturtle Apr 2014 #164

Yep, satisfied. And I agree with you. This vigilante band thinks this is his land. That "issue," ancianita Apr 2014 #167

Excuse me. My guess would be they didn't like the tactics of the BLM against snappyturtle Apr 2014 #171

This guy owns a ranch. He owns double the number of cattle the BLM allows on that acreage. Cattle. ancianita Apr 2014 #172

My, my, my. 25% of your posts in Gun Control/RKBA. Paladin Apr 2014 #71

"Imagine my lack of surprise......" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #125

A "poisoning the well" fallacy. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #202

He wins this one. And they now know to bring 100s more to the next showdown. Stupid to back off. nt Logical Apr 2014 #68

That's the truth....as well as adding 100's more ranchers Curmudgeoness Apr 2014 #112

Great point! n-t Logical Apr 2014 #161

where are our devout 2A supporters? CTyankee Apr 2014 #10

These idiots have been talking about "second amendment solutions" for years. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #11

funny that they ain't here, isn't it? CTyankee Apr 2014 #12

All ti takes to fight a federal agent is a few assholes with guns. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #14

LOL, you are so transparent Electric Monk Apr 2014 #26

It worked for the milita terrorists in Nevada. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #27

Not really. The BLM just doesn't fight trespassers. They take them to court, is all. This is theater ancianita Apr 2014 #174

Me too Boreal Apr 2014 #28

And then they'll be replaced by right wing militias Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #128

This is what we're in for. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #130

Want to get really scared? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #138

Isn't that the nutbag that claims Milton Friedman was a socialist? MohRokTah Apr 2014 #142

More common in the right than you might think BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #148

And most people around this country have no idea of any of this nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #191

I can definitely see that scenario emerging. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #149

Great. Corporate "death squads." Where in hell are the lawyers. ancianita Apr 2014 #175

This is all those cute birdies we let loose coming home to roost nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #192

Millions of Americans Boreal Apr 2014 #136

I won't argue with you. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #154

The Department of Education has a SWAT team to deal with the Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #30

The US doesn't have rule of law. ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #108

I support the 2A - I do not support Bundy or his dipshit supporters. hack89 Apr 2014 #107

then what do you think should be done to stop him? CTyankee Apr 2014 #110

Wait to the situation calms down hack89 Apr 2014 #111

I agree, no violence. But it is nice to hear your solution to this guy... CTyankee Apr 2014 #114

Please don't put words in my mouth hack89 Apr 2014 #117

well, fine. That's nice, too. I approve. CTyankee Apr 2014 #119

I can't tell you how much that means to me hack89 Apr 2014 #121

well, my parents told me to be polite... CTyankee Apr 2014 #122

You are getting better at it. Nt hack89 Apr 2014 #124

I'm a feisty third generation Texan so be advised about my nice-ness... CTyankee Apr 2014 #129

2A is the law of the land until repealed or modified. agbdf Apr 2014 #159

Count me out... KansDem Apr 2014 #13

I'm confused--why can't this guy be arrested? TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #19

They can Dwayne Hicks Apr 2014 #24

Bundy won't be arrested. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #29

It's up to an agent on site to decide whether someone will be TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #35

This entire thing has been a civil matter from the beginning MohRokTah Apr 2014 #37

Armed resistance against agents of the government isn't a civil matter. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #39

Show where Bundy himself was involved in armed resistence. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #42

I guess we'll find out if federal charges are brought. I think he will go to jail. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #44

I think a few of the militia assholes will be arrested in a few weeks, maybe. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #45

Oh, we'll have to see. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #47

What? Dwayne Hicks Apr 2014 #38

Actually, there were no direct threats made by Bundy. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #40

Yes, I agree agbdf Apr 2014 #137

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Apr 2014 #193

Nope. He can be arrested for defying this court order which overrides some witnessed "talk." ancianita Apr 2014 #176

When? After 21 more years? nt Logical Apr 2014 #69

They've reached an agreement with him. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #43

Did they make either overt or implied threats of violence or present weapons? TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #46

Do not confuse the militia assholes for Bundy. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #48

Conspiracy to commit. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #49

The feds would have to prove prior contact MohRokTah Apr 2014 #50

I think they will find he directed some of these clowns, enlisted their help, fed them, TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #52

This isn't about contracts. This is about the original BLM permit. Permit. This was reported two ancianita Apr 2014 #181

Arrested on what charge? agbdf Apr 2014 #205

Worked in Kiev nt Boreal Apr 2014 #22

Curious... tazkcmo Apr 2014 #55

Curious... MohRokTah Apr 2014 #56

From you tazkcmo Apr 2014 #63

As a lawyer please do not get your legal help from arm chair DU 'lawyers'. former9thward Apr 2014 #70

lol ty tazkcmo Apr 2014 #76

Yes, as long as you know it is worth what you are being charged ... former9thward Apr 2014 #78

No problem tazkcmo Apr 2014 #81

I have an understanding of contract law. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #74

An "understanding" huh? tazkcmo Apr 2014 #79

That is how contract law works MohRokTah Apr 2014 #82

See post 79. n/t tazkcmo Apr 2014 #87

See post 82. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #88

You are funny. tazkcmo Apr 2014 #90

I'm really trying to understand why he's so eager for bloodshed? IronGate Apr 2014 #91

Maybe tazkcmo Apr 2014 #92

Could be. IronGate Apr 2014 #95

I don't know but I'm pretty sure of one thing -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #132

Wife is an attorney MohRokTah Apr 2014 #94

Good for you both. tazkcmo Apr 2014 #96

It's good to be employed. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #98

Good luck to you. tazkcmo Apr 2014 #100

Thanks MohRokTah Apr 2014 #102

Sure I can. I hate your job already! tazkcmo Apr 2014 #106

This is what happens when we allow a bunch of right wing haters to arm up. Hoyt Apr 2014 #57

PRecisely MohRokTah Apr 2014 #58

Yep. The BLM should be disarmed. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #60

right sweetapogee Apr 2014 #93

The "never back down" mentality got us Ruby Ridge and Waco. I'm glad the gov backed down LittleBlue Apr 2014 #59

I beg to differ, violence WAS the answer here. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #61

Hundreds or thousands would have died LittleBlue Apr 2014 #64

there were maybe 3 hundred armed terrorists. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #72

Aaaaand that's why you're not making these decisions LittleBlue Apr 2014 #83

This administration is playing it smart. No Janet Renos. No Martyrs BlueStreak Apr 2014 #173

Thank goodness you are not in charge of anything. former9thward Apr 2014 #75

So you disagree that the threat of the use of violence was how the terrorists won? MohRokTah Apr 2014 #77

My sky is full of colors. former9thward Apr 2014 #85

Not necessarily so. New Mexico citizens I've met in Albuquerque and Silver City speak well of BLM. ancianita Apr 2014 #185

Well, we know what color the sky is in your world. IronGate Apr 2014 #86

I think more people are worried Texasgal Apr 2014 #104

That's PR. That's not how it's really going to go down. ancianita Apr 2014 #178

Violence is never the answer. 840high Apr 2014 #180

It was this time. n/t Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #187

In this case, that decision will come back to hunt all of us nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #101

Yeah, racist gun trafficker Weaver hid behind his wife and kids. Feds gave Hoyt Apr 2014 #123

It is and it worked. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #145

You guys aren't really SevenSixtyTwo Apr 2014 #62

Your posts emit an unsettling aura of disappointment Union Scribe Apr 2014 #65

My posts are due to a disappointment MohRokTah Apr 2014 #66

Oh bull. IronGate Apr 2014 #73

I'm trying to understand why he is so eager for a shootout. IronGate Apr 2014 #67

You noticed that also oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #127

Do you remember Elian Gonzales? Savannahmann Apr 2014 #80

The federal government was NOT bashing people MohRokTah Apr 2014 #84

The court ordered the surrender of Elian Gonzales too. Savannahmann Apr 2014 #89

Guys with guns came and got Elian... PoliticAverse Apr 2014 #158

I never said they didn't. Savannahmann Apr 2014 #186

Yes, I remember it very well. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #183

You sure are bloodthirsty, OP Boreal Apr 2014 #97

Ad hominems. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #99

said the guy running around claiming terrorists are going to kill thousands. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #133

I am sure glad I do not do alerts nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #103

I guess you're right Boreal Apr 2014 #109

It is not a desire for bloodshed nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #113

Too bad posts cannot be recommended MohRokTah Apr 2014 #120

Well, sorry but Boreal Apr 2014 #182

Don't take my word for it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #190

Somehow 2naSalit Apr 2014 #196

For the record, but that is because of the area we cover nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #105

I strongly disagree with you, ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #116

I hate being right on this sort of shit, too. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #118

if a black, Hispanic, Muslim Militia tried his, would it not have been forcefully ended? politicman Apr 2014 #134

This has been my point all along MohRokTah Apr 2014 #135

You can bet that they will use this tactic in the future. Moses2SandyKoufax Apr 2014 #140

They're already plotting use of the armed terrorist tactic. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #146

Yeah well, Moses2SandyKoufax Apr 2014 #156

Agreed BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #160

I guess the lesson out of this is that any new OWS movements should arm themselves? politicman Apr 2014 #141

OWS would be slaughtered if they did. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #143

"progressives adn liberals need not attempt." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #147

isnt that an indictment on how the feds let this armed group get their way politicman Apr 2014 #151

It definitely is an indictment on the whole situation. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #153

Much of this militia WAS Hispanic. That was covered yesterday. n/t JJChambers Apr 2014 #139

Ok the, if it was a Muslim Militia, would this have happened? politicman Apr 2014 #144

Hell no. There wouldn't be an argument. Muslims would respect federal land law and would have ancianita Apr 2014 #163

my hypothetical was to show the absurdity of letting this armed wing nut group.. politicman Apr 2014 #169

Ah, sorry I missed the ironic note there. You're absolutely right; the sympathy here is misplaced. ancianita Apr 2014 #170

Good job DashOneBravo Apr 2014 #177

Now that the government has capitulated to insurection, we better expect it everytime the RW doesn't Taitertots Apr 2014 #179

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #184

Yeah because AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #188

Only a couple hundred *rightwing* friends. If you're a Fred Hampton, say, villager Apr 2014 #189

Let me add this just for fun nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #195

Welcome to the age of emboldened white wing nutbags waging an open shooting war. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #197

I know, you know, I stopped writing a novel involving militias nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #198

... maddezmom Apr 2014 #201

Another reason guns need to be restricted. AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #199

OK, something tells me I missed something. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2014 #200

In Roberts America CFLDem Apr 2014 #203

I don't understand LynnTTT Apr 2014 #204