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3. The gunLOONS are itching for bloodshed and it's just a matter of time
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 11:31 PM
Apr 2014

Really, they are anarchists, freedom for them to do whatever they want.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/13/us-usa-ranchers-nevada-idUSBREA3B03Q20140413?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews
[font size=5]Nevada ranching family claims victory as government releases cattle[/font]

.... A number of Bundy's supporters, who included militia members from California, Idaho and other states, dressed in camouflage and carried rifles and sidearms. During the stand-off, some chanted "open that gate" and "free the people."

A man who identified himself as Scott, 43, said he had traveled from Idaho along with two fellow militia members to support Bundy.

"If we don't show up everywhere, there is no reason to show up anywhere," said the man, dressed in camouflage pants and a black flak jacket crouched behind a concrete highway barrier, holding an AR-15 rifle. "I'm ready to pull the trigger if fired upon," Scott said.

LONG-SIMMERING ANGER

The dispute between Bundy and federal land managers began in 1993 when he stopped paying monthly fees of about $1.35 per cow-calf pair to graze public lands that are also home to imperiled animals such as the Mojave Desert tortoise. The government also claims Bundy has ignored cancellation of his grazing leases and defied federal court orders to remove his cattle.

"We won the battle," said Ammon Bundy, one of the rancher's sons.

The bureau said Cliven Bundy still owes taxpayers more than $1 million, which includes both grazing fees and penalties, and that it would work to resolve the matter administratively and through the court system. ....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-five-extra-words-that-can-fix-the-second-amendment/2014/04/11/f8a19578-b8fa-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html?hpid=z6
[font size=5]Justice Stevens: The five extra words that can fix the Second Amendment[/font]
John Paul Stevens served as an associate justice of the Supreme Court from 1975 to 2010. This essay is excerpted from his new book, “Six Amendments: How and Why We Should Change the Constitution.”

.... For more than 200 years following the adoption of that amendment, federal judges uniformly understood that the right protected by that text was limited in two ways: First, it applied only to keeping and bearing arms for military purposes, and second, while it limited the power of the federal government, it did not impose any limit whatsoever on the power of states or local governments to regulate the ownership or use of firearms. Thus, in United States v. Miller, decided in 1939, the court unanimously held that Congress could prohibit the possession of a sawed-off shotgun because that sort of weapon had no reasonable relation to the preservation or efficiency of a “well regulated Militia.” ....

In recent years two profoundly important changes in the law have occurred. In 2008, by a vote of 5 to 4, the Supreme Court decided in District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment protects a civilian’s right to keep a handgun in his home for purposes of self-defense. And in 2010, by another vote of 5 to 4, the court decided in McDonald v. Chicago that the due process clause of the 14th Amendment limits the power of the city of Chicago to outlaw the possession of handguns by private citizens. I dissented in both of those cases and remain convinced that both decisions misinterpreted the law and were profoundly unwise. Public policies concerning gun control should be decided by the voters’ elected representatives, not by federal judges. ....

Organizations such as the National Rifle Association disagreed with that position and mounted a vigorous campaign claiming that federal regulation of the use of firearms severely curtailed Americans’ Second Amendment rights. Five years after his retirement, during a 1991 appearance on “The MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour,” Burger himself remarked that the Second Amendment “has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word ‘fraud,’ on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.”

As a result of the rulings in Heller and McDonald, the Second Amendment, which was adopted to protect the states from federal interference with their power to ensure that their militias were “well regulated,” has given federal judges the ultimate power to determine the validity of state regulations of both civilian and militia-related uses of arms. That anomalous result can be avoided by adding five words to the text of the Second Amendment to make it unambiguously conform to the original intent of its draftsmen. As so amended, it would read:

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms when serving in the Militia shall not be infringed.” ....

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the 2A crowd is as big a threat as any government action & kills more people annually in the USA nt msongs Apr 2014 #1
Any facts to back that up? tolkien90 Apr 2014 #90
Evidently not. n/t Skip Intro Apr 2014 #98
So you think it would be brilliant to give these crazies another "Janet Reno" to rally around? BlueStreak Apr 2014 #2
Agreed. The best course of action now is to keep confrontation to an absolute minimum. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #6
Wha? Who are you even talking to? Did you read any of the OP? cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #7
Pretty much yes. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #9
That's EXACTLY what the title of the thread suggests BlueStreak Apr 2014 #73
Suggests to YOU, because YOU don't seem to read very clearly cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #74
You state it in the form of an accusation BlueStreak Apr 2014 #77
If we stipulate that you can read then at this point you are simply lying cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #82
So this is about Obama? Who said anything about Obama? BlueStreak Apr 2014 #85
It seems like the poster you are responding to is playing Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2014 #106
So you think it's brilliant to just allow someone to openly flout the law? Jake Stern Apr 2014 #33
And it will embolden them to do more...it always does. zeemike Apr 2014 #38
The government just said through their actions "Do as you wish, we won't stop you" Jake Stern Apr 2014 #44
It may already be too late. zeemike Apr 2014 #49
that was the right wing's argument treestar Apr 2014 #71
"Rubber backbone"? Because they didn't get into a shootout with gun nuts? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #43
When you walk away from a bully, he doesn't stop being a bully. Jake Stern Apr 2014 #46
And nobody died? How dare they!!!! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #48
If they would have stood their ground no one would have died. zeemike Apr 2014 #50
You're all over the place. So you like "authoritarians" today? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #52
I am not either of those extremes. zeemike Apr 2014 #68
Whatevah! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #103
Right now nobody died but as they get ever more emboldened it will happen nt Jake Stern Apr 2014 #87
Honestly, I think you're in the wrong place. Most folks here spend their time... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #104
I think someone can be glad that violence was averted ecstatic Apr 2014 #78
And how do you know that it is over? BlueStreak Apr 2014 #79
That's a sensible post cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #83
The gunLOONS are itching for bloodshed and it's just a matter of time UTUSN Apr 2014 #3
itchy fingers backing some cheap ass nut bag lunasun Apr 2014 #11
agree... n/t defacto7 Apr 2014 #31
Would it ever be acceptable madville Apr 2014 #4
Right. It is extraordinary. That doesn't mean it should have been met with force, but cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #8
I keep thinking about christx30 Apr 2014 #29
Let me get this straight, you're trying to conflate armed people defending a person Jake Stern Apr 2014 #47
Yes. I am comparing them. christx30 Apr 2014 #51
What happened after Kelo .... former9thward Apr 2014 #72
That whole decision sickened me. X_Digger Apr 2014 #102
This is one of a few instances where I think authorities responded properly. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #5
You make a good point about protection of life defacto7 Apr 2014 #34
I can't believe that so many DUers are okay with this. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #10
Middle of nowhere.. hot and dry RobertEarl Apr 2014 #12
I don't disagree, but I am not blase about it. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #13
No use getting all worked up RobertEarl Apr 2014 #14
No one got shot, people have the right to assemble The Straight Story Apr 2014 #15
I don't know but if this caption is correct I think some cop should have arrested this guy. gvstn Apr 2014 #16
Eric Parker, you are hereby under arrest. Timez Squarez Apr 2014 #20
This man better be answering a knock on the door from LE very soon. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #22
If this is not a picture op defacto7 Apr 2014 #39
Let me guess airplaneman Apr 2014 #17
BLM needs to hand the matters over to FBI/DEA/DHS/ATFE Timez Squarez Apr 2014 #18
What unit are you currently serving in? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #92
One problem is that they're already making up fables about it starroute Apr 2014 #19
"We remain disappointed..." I guess that's the letter I'll get after TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #21
You gotta be sitting down in protest, completely unarmed for the govt to show Rex Apr 2014 #25
Yup. The left is doing it wrong, obviously. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #26
It's crap like that christx30 Apr 2014 #36
I agree! Yavapai Apr 2014 #45
What's crap is supporting Bundy coz you don't like cops... Violet_Crumble Apr 2014 #54
So you think the government christx30 Apr 2014 #57
There's peaceful protest, and then there's thugs with guns who think they're above the law... Violet_Crumble Apr 2014 #58
"Thugs with guns that think christx30 Apr 2014 #59
When Occupy has its own militia Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #70
DU is becoming unrecognizable to me. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #66
It looks like this piece of shit is on a road I paid for. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #81
All of a sudden it's become hip to defend people who cheat the government Jake Stern Apr 2014 #89
Yikes maddezmom Apr 2014 #60
Yes I am. christx30 Apr 2014 #61
Well it is a good thing they didn't call in Harold Francis Callahan. Rex Apr 2014 #23
I feel like we live in bizarro world. Peaceful protesters get viciously beaten and pepper sprayed. Taitertots Apr 2014 #24
How is it bizarro world? Demonstrating weakness gets your weakness exploited. Demonstrating... JVS Apr 2014 #27
How Machiavellian. n/t defacto7 Apr 2014 #41
They can't because he's dead and if he wasn't he'd see he accomplished overseer status for TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #62
The loot will always go to the same motherfuckers. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #69
I encourage nor espoused any such thing, in fact, I hold the lay down sallys and the get along TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #91
Maybe the hippie approach to politics doesn't trump fighting in the streets. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #28
The "Gandhi approach" has been greatly overstated in actual effect anyway and to work TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #64
Your words resonate with me. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #67
and the moral of the story is: sweetapogee Apr 2014 #108
The armed militiamen love it when liberals/progressives get the crap beat out of them by police. Boomerproud Apr 2014 #30
... "The BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially" ... struggle4progress Apr 2014 #32
Indeed they do. . . Jake Stern Apr 2014 #35
That would show real lack of imagination struggle4progress Apr 2014 #37
When he finds out that he can't sell cattle that he no longer legally owns ThoughtCriminal Apr 2014 #42
At a minimum the government could have wimped out in style by pretending they meant business. Jake Stern Apr 2014 #40
People with guns showed up. ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #53
its effed up when the guys with guns that back down are the cops. politicman Apr 2014 #56
Would you've been happier if they had a shoot out? nt ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #88
to be honest, yes. politicman Apr 2014 #96
I am not the kind of guy who threatens people with guns. ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #105
because with law, there would be chaos which would mean its more dangerous for human life politicman Apr 2014 #113
The worst atrocities ever committed were perfectly legal. ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #114
Bundy was ready to risk death christx30 Apr 2014 #95
so violent intimidation is enough to stop laws being enforced? politicman Apr 2014 #97
I'm saying that christx30 Apr 2014 #100
Do all you guys hang out in the Israel/Palestine forum? It's strange that the two arguing most.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #110
BLM director should be fired immediately Dems to Win Apr 2014 #55
It was just another "Red Line" forthemiddle Apr 2014 #75
This whole thread reminds me of a cartoon Fumesucker Apr 2014 #99
If I were in charge I would have brought in the FBI and even encouraged the militia's to come on Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #63
Why give the idiot back his cattle? newfie11 Apr 2014 #65
If that infuriates you, ohheckyeah Apr 2014 #115
I live in Western South Dakota newfie11 Apr 2014 #116
LOL... ohheckyeah Apr 2014 #117
exactly - we gave in to a bully . . . and that is not a good thing DrDan Apr 2014 #76
+1000 White might makes right Tom Ripley Apr 2014 #80
Let's face it - the gun nuts want another Ruby Ridge or Waco. . . DinahMoeHum Apr 2014 #84
I was thinking the same thing. No doubt they will build a statue in honor of this guy. Rex Apr 2014 #94
There needs to be serious consequences or there will really be WhiteTara Apr 2014 #86
Here's the only update I've seen on BLM's cattle removal. The source is by a nearby land management ancianita Apr 2014 #93
Domestic terrorists win this one. 6000eliot Apr 2014 #101
Those of y'all who think this is over.. sendero Apr 2014 #107
Agree. nt Quixote1818 Apr 2014 #109
In a nation of laws, there's only one way that this can end. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #111
I hope those who are saying this isn't over are correct. Nine Apr 2014 #112
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