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MineralMan

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33. I'll wait and see, thanks. What else would you suggest I do.

Sun Apr 13, 2014, 11:56 AM

Apr 2014

There are laws and there are laws. Some laws are designed to protect people from criminal activity. Other laws are administrative in nature and do not involve any threats to people. The BLM grazing permit laws are in the second category. How laws are enforced have to do with the nature of those laws.

The BLM has a legal right to remove cattle from the lands it manages, but the penalties for illegally grazing on such lands involve fines and other penalties. They're not about any danger to people. There is no possible reason to kill people over such laws. So, the BLM doesn't do that.

What the right-wing morons call for is irrelevant. They've been calling for such actions for years and over many things. I'm not impressed with their anger and sense of victory. I am impressed with the BLM's decision to retreat and rethink. It was a good move in the short term. What happens next will be judged next.

Since you have nothing at risk in this particular issue, I find it odd that you're calling for...what? What would you have done, if you were in charge of the BLM's process in this instance? Let's hear your plan of action, shall we?

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Ending a Potential Armed Dispute without Violence Is NOT Failure [View all] MineralMan Apr 2014 OP

Sure it is - when your mantra is all gun owners are nuts who shoot people all day long The Straight Story Apr 2014 #1

You know, that's not where my thinking is going at all. MineralMan Apr 2014 #3

Wasn't aimed at you The Straight Story Apr 2014 #6

I know. MineralMan Apr 2014 #10

I don't give a fuck if they brought in the 2nd Armored Division. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #127

We agree on that. MineralMan Apr 2014 #128

I am wondering, if you have an opinion on this, Voice for Peace Apr 2014 #75

My thoughts on that The Straight Story Apr 2014 #83

I agree with you CanonRay Apr 2014 #2

Thanks. The BLM will fall back and take another MineralMan Apr 2014 #4

Agree. Non violent solutions should be used in ALL cases. think Apr 2014 #5

That would be nice. It's not always possible, however. MineralMan Apr 2014 #9

'Wise decision' or not, we have too many twitchy armchair generals. randome Apr 2014 #7

Yes. A lot of people on both sides of the issues are MineralMan Apr 2014 #8

I heartily disagree with the BLM's capitulation. Hugin Apr 2014 #11

One Battle Does Not Constitute a War. MineralMan Apr 2014 #12

So was Syria. So is the Ukraine. randome Apr 2014 #13

Exactly. Wise people do not let the opposition dictate MineralMan Apr 2014 #17

Damn good idea packman Apr 2014 #98

Yup. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #40

Exactly, the nutters are emboldened now. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #55

It seems that this is a minority view on this board. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #60

I'm hanging around MohRokTah Apr 2014 #64

Good luck. I've become jaded and cynical. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #74

Right now they are calling for the removal of Harry Reid and the dismantling of the BLM. Hugin Apr 2014 #77

Uh, no. That won't happen, and they won't show up. MineralMan Apr 2014 #86

Seems to be the zeitgeist in the modern U.S.A. Hugin Apr 2014 #95

Would the people who think withdrawal was the best way to deal with these thugs Jake Stern Apr 2014 #108

weakness? frogbone gumbo Apr 2014 #94

Have you ever been in armed combat? Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author Hugin Apr 2014 #136

In this case it is a failure Taitertots Apr 2014 #14

One incident does not mean anything of the sort. MineralMan Apr 2014 #19

Just wait and see. The flood gates are open. Right wing crazies view this as a victory and a... Taitertots Apr 2014 #22

I'll wait and see, thanks. What else would you suggest I do. MineralMan Apr 2014 #33

Oh I get it, you want to draw arbitrary lines to avoid confrontation over laws that you think are... Taitertots Apr 2014 #44

All of those things you suggest can still happen. MineralMan Apr 2014 #53

They are already plotting where next to use the armed mob tactic. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #47

This is being seen by the right as another capitulation meanit Apr 2014 #49

Tell me... DirtyDawg Apr 2014 #15

No, that's not going to happen. MineralMan Apr 2014 #20

I'm shocked by the number of DUers thirsting for a bloody battle here. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #16

Such people have nothing to lose. MineralMan Apr 2014 #18

Imagine telling a grieving officer's widow "the guy owed TAXES! This was NECESSARY!" (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #21

There's a pent up demand Blue_Adept Apr 2014 #73

And just who suggested anything of the sort? Atticus Apr 2014 #82

Making a total FUBAR of law enforcement is (a total failure) Demeter Apr 2014 #23

So how would it have played out if the Feds showed up in large numbers? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #24

What large numbers? For large numbers of federal officers to be present MineralMan Apr 2014 #34

If you understand implicity, I was very clear... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #69

don't taze me bro frogbone gumbo Apr 2014 #102

We agree, it's not about Hannity, it's about law enforcement... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #107

"Time was required"?? forthemiddle Apr 2014 #88

lol "The BLM had 20 years to plan" GOOD POINT!!! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #90

Hey, MM, maybe we're talking about different standoffs... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #89

MineralMan: Agree, Disagree, or have you already cried "Uncle" WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #125

Don't assume anything. MineralMan Apr 2014 #126

ah... note to self: MM asks rhetorical questions WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #131

I can't post this in the thread title, so: MineralMan Apr 2014 #132

I've disagreed with you many times, MM. 99Forever Apr 2014 #25

We probably agree on more things than you think. MineralMan Apr 2014 #35

An armed confrontation is inevitable.... ewagner Apr 2014 #26

That's exactly what the message is IF the police take no action this week. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #30

No, it is not inevitable. MineralMan Apr 2014 #36

BLM made a good call. Adrahil Apr 2014 #27

I agree. It's not an emergency situation in any way. MineralMan Apr 2014 #37

I agree. secondvariety Apr 2014 #51

Which they should have done twenty years ago rocktivity Apr 2014 #93

This could have been another Ruby Ridge or Waco. . . DinahMoeHum Apr 2014 #28

I think a lot of the reason people are upset is... Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #29

Had the number of militia morons been anticipated, MineralMan Apr 2014 #39

They brought attack dogs, Tazers and First amendment zones. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #41

Yes, well, that experiment didn't work out. MineralMan Apr 2014 #46

Right on, MM. Rec'd! Inkfreak Apr 2014 #31

Thanks elleng Apr 2014 #32

Capitulation to armed thugs threatening violence is MASSIVE failure. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #38

Nonsense. What will they try next? MineralMan Apr 2014 #42

Visit a few right wing forums for some examples of what they'll try next. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #52

I'm familiar with such discussions, thanks. MineralMan Apr 2014 #54

Bookmarking your post. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #56

Isn't it nice that DU has the tools for you to do that? MineralMan Apr 2014 #65

I do not look forward to it. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #66

Only time will tell. Can I say "I told you so" when it happens? Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #57

You can say whatever you wish. MineralMan Apr 2014 #62

I don't have expertise in this field, but I do have some idea of what to do. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #70

Exactly. Cattle my ass. meanit Apr 2014 #59

I completely agree. m-lekktor Apr 2014 #99

Obama didn't need a Waco, or Ruby Ridge event. boston bean Apr 2014 #43

Nobody needs such a thing. MineralMan Apr 2014 #48

K & R Iliyah Apr 2014 #45

It's impeachable. bl968 Apr 2014 #50

I'm sure they "shall" be considering what MineralMan Apr 2014 #67

It is also NOT success. The world is complex. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #58

Agreed... Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #120

I read last night that the cattle already in BLM hands will be auctioned off Warpy Apr 2014 #61

Indeed, BLM has. Adding an update. These guys pay close attention to multi-state public land use. ancianita Apr 2014 #63

Not enforcing US law and multiple valid court orders is a failure. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #68

That option is still available. MineralMan Apr 2014 #72

Would it be considered violence to arrest people for charging at LEOs? R B Garr Apr 2014 #71

Well, clearly from the videos, MineralMan Apr 2014 #76

At most times, law enforcement is outnumbered. That's pretty much the point why this can be R B Garr Apr 2014 #100

The government appeased criminal terrorists. The BLM's decision is shit. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #78

I see. OK. MineralMan Apr 2014 #79

"Mine is in the OP." Yes, I saw that, no need for condescension... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #80

We'll see. I doubt that. MineralMan Apr 2014 #81

Have fun at your movie, MM! What are you going to see, if you don't mind my asking? ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #85

The Grand Budapest Hotel. MineralMan Apr 2014 #87

"I'm in the mood for a comedy." Lol, indeed, sir. My g/f and I are going to see ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #96

Having seen it, I can recommend it heartily. MineralMan Apr 2014 #112

Agree. Cooler heads prevailed. pinto Apr 2014 #84

Thanks, pinto. MineralMan Apr 2014 #91

The real attention this issue should draw... HoosierCowboy Apr 2014 #92

I have been there. MineralMan Apr 2014 #116

Maybe cooler heads prevailed packman Apr 2014 #97

some history ... napkinz Apr 2014 #101

Of course. Discretion and valor and all that aikoaiko Apr 2014 #103

There's a "culture war" against gun owners? Who knew? Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #119

The 35 years prior to that run of success wasn't so good for gun owners. aikoaiko Apr 2014 #122

It was the smart play. Turbineguy Apr 2014 #104

I disagree, they could have done many things to avoid an armed conflict. DrewFlorida Apr 2014 #105

And what makes you think they will abandon future enforcement MineralMan Apr 2014 #117

No matter who's side your on, SevenSixtyTwo Apr 2014 #106

I have to agree with you on this one, MM Aerows Apr 2014 #109

Lesson learned, never protest without a heavy show of arms. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #111

Is that really what you take from this? MineralMan Apr 2014 #114

Agree 100%. 840high Apr 2014 #110

I imagine they said the same thing about Hitler after he invaded Poland Downtown Hound Apr 2014 #113

Pretty brave words. MineralMan Apr 2014 #115

Then become a LEO and help enforce the law. MicaelS Apr 2014 #130

The sentiments in the body of your post notwithstanding, gristy Apr 2014 #118

You are correct. MineralMan Apr 2014 #121

Question BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #123

I can't suggest what they should do. I'm not any sort MineralMan Apr 2014 #124

And, who says it's the "end"? Anyway.. it was the wise decision.. thank you, MineralMan. nt Cha Apr 2014 #133

The problem is this incident sets precedent. backscatter712 Apr 2014 #134

I am surprised at all of the bloodthirsty people sarisataka Apr 2014 #135