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43. Obama didn't need a Waco, or Ruby Ridge event.

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Sun Apr 13, 2014, 12:14 PM

Apr 2014

Those events are what harden the nuts to be against the government and get others to join in. Kudo's to cooler heads.

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Ending a Potential Armed Dispute without Violence Is NOT Failure [View all] MineralMan Apr 2014 OP

Sure it is - when your mantra is all gun owners are nuts who shoot people all day long The Straight Story Apr 2014 #1

You know, that's not where my thinking is going at all. MineralMan Apr 2014 #3

Wasn't aimed at you The Straight Story Apr 2014 #6

I know. MineralMan Apr 2014 #10

I don't give a fuck if they brought in the 2nd Armored Division. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #127

We agree on that. MineralMan Apr 2014 #128

I am wondering, if you have an opinion on this, Voice for Peace Apr 2014 #75

My thoughts on that The Straight Story Apr 2014 #83

I agree with you CanonRay Apr 2014 #2

Thanks. The BLM will fall back and take another MineralMan Apr 2014 #4

Agree. Non violent solutions should be used in ALL cases. think Apr 2014 #5

That would be nice. It's not always possible, however. MineralMan Apr 2014 #9

'Wise decision' or not, we have too many twitchy armchair generals. randome Apr 2014 #7

Yes. A lot of people on both sides of the issues are MineralMan Apr 2014 #8

I heartily disagree with the BLM's capitulation. Hugin Apr 2014 #11

One Battle Does Not Constitute a War. MineralMan Apr 2014 #12

So was Syria. So is the Ukraine. randome Apr 2014 #13

Exactly. Wise people do not let the opposition dictate MineralMan Apr 2014 #17

Damn good idea packman Apr 2014 #98

Yup. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #40

Exactly, the nutters are emboldened now. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #55

It seems that this is a minority view on this board. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #60

I'm hanging around MohRokTah Apr 2014 #64

Good luck. I've become jaded and cynical. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #74

Right now they are calling for the removal of Harry Reid and the dismantling of the BLM. Hugin Apr 2014 #77

Uh, no. That won't happen, and they won't show up. MineralMan Apr 2014 #86

Seems to be the zeitgeist in the modern U.S.A. Hugin Apr 2014 #95

Would the people who think withdrawal was the best way to deal with these thugs Jake Stern Apr 2014 #108

weakness? frogbone gumbo Apr 2014 #94

Have you ever been in armed combat? Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author Hugin Apr 2014 #136

In this case it is a failure Taitertots Apr 2014 #14

One incident does not mean anything of the sort. MineralMan Apr 2014 #19

Just wait and see. The flood gates are open. Right wing crazies view this as a victory and a... Taitertots Apr 2014 #22

I'll wait and see, thanks. What else would you suggest I do. MineralMan Apr 2014 #33

Oh I get it, you want to draw arbitrary lines to avoid confrontation over laws that you think are... Taitertots Apr 2014 #44

All of those things you suggest can still happen. MineralMan Apr 2014 #53

They are already plotting where next to use the armed mob tactic. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #47

This is being seen by the right as another capitulation meanit Apr 2014 #49

Tell me... DirtyDawg Apr 2014 #15

No, that's not going to happen. MineralMan Apr 2014 #20

I'm shocked by the number of DUers thirsting for a bloody battle here. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #16

Such people have nothing to lose. MineralMan Apr 2014 #18

Imagine telling a grieving officer's widow "the guy owed TAXES! This was NECESSARY!" (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #21

There's a pent up demand Blue_Adept Apr 2014 #73

And just who suggested anything of the sort? Atticus Apr 2014 #82

Making a total FUBAR of law enforcement is (a total failure) Demeter Apr 2014 #23

So how would it have played out if the Feds showed up in large numbers? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #24

What large numbers? For large numbers of federal officers to be present MineralMan Apr 2014 #34

If you understand implicity, I was very clear... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #69

don't taze me bro frogbone gumbo Apr 2014 #102

We agree, it's not about Hannity, it's about law enforcement... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #107

"Time was required"?? forthemiddle Apr 2014 #88

lol "The BLM had 20 years to plan" GOOD POINT!!! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #90

Hey, MM, maybe we're talking about different standoffs... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #89

MineralMan: Agree, Disagree, or have you already cried "Uncle" WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #125

Don't assume anything. MineralMan Apr 2014 #126

ah... note to self: MM asks rhetorical questions WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #131

I can't post this in the thread title, so: MineralMan Apr 2014 #132

I've disagreed with you many times, MM. 99Forever Apr 2014 #25

We probably agree on more things than you think. MineralMan Apr 2014 #35

An armed confrontation is inevitable.... ewagner Apr 2014 #26

That's exactly what the message is IF the police take no action this week. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #30

No, it is not inevitable. MineralMan Apr 2014 #36

BLM made a good call. Adrahil Apr 2014 #27

I agree. It's not an emergency situation in any way. MineralMan Apr 2014 #37

I agree. secondvariety Apr 2014 #51

Which they should have done twenty years ago rocktivity Apr 2014 #93

This could have been another Ruby Ridge or Waco. . . DinahMoeHum Apr 2014 #28

I think a lot of the reason people are upset is... Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #29

Had the number of militia morons been anticipated, MineralMan Apr 2014 #39

They brought attack dogs, Tazers and First amendment zones. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #41

Yes, well, that experiment didn't work out. MineralMan Apr 2014 #46

Right on, MM. Rec'd! Inkfreak Apr 2014 #31

Thanks elleng Apr 2014 #32

Capitulation to armed thugs threatening violence is MASSIVE failure. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #38

Nonsense. What will they try next? MineralMan Apr 2014 #42

Visit a few right wing forums for some examples of what they'll try next. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #52

I'm familiar with such discussions, thanks. MineralMan Apr 2014 #54

Bookmarking your post. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #56

Isn't it nice that DU has the tools for you to do that? MineralMan Apr 2014 #65

I do not look forward to it. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #66

Only time will tell. Can I say "I told you so" when it happens? Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #57

You can say whatever you wish. MineralMan Apr 2014 #62

I don't have expertise in this field, but I do have some idea of what to do. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #70

Exactly. Cattle my ass. meanit Apr 2014 #59

I completely agree. m-lekktor Apr 2014 #99

Obama didn't need a Waco, or Ruby Ridge event. boston bean Apr 2014 #43

Nobody needs such a thing. MineralMan Apr 2014 #48

K & R Iliyah Apr 2014 #45

It's impeachable. bl968 Apr 2014 #50

I'm sure they "shall" be considering what MineralMan Apr 2014 #67

It is also NOT success. The world is complex. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #58

Agreed... Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #120

I read last night that the cattle already in BLM hands will be auctioned off Warpy Apr 2014 #61

Indeed, BLM has. Adding an update. These guys pay close attention to multi-state public land use. ancianita Apr 2014 #63

Not enforcing US law and multiple valid court orders is a failure. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #68

That option is still available. MineralMan Apr 2014 #72

Would it be considered violence to arrest people for charging at LEOs? R B Garr Apr 2014 #71

Well, clearly from the videos, MineralMan Apr 2014 #76

At most times, law enforcement is outnumbered. That's pretty much the point why this can be R B Garr Apr 2014 #100

The government appeased criminal terrorists. The BLM's decision is shit. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #78

I see. OK. MineralMan Apr 2014 #79

"Mine is in the OP." Yes, I saw that, no need for condescension... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #80

We'll see. I doubt that. MineralMan Apr 2014 #81

Have fun at your movie, MM! What are you going to see, if you don't mind my asking? ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #85

The Grand Budapest Hotel. MineralMan Apr 2014 #87

"I'm in the mood for a comedy." Lol, indeed, sir. My g/f and I are going to see ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #96

Having seen it, I can recommend it heartily. MineralMan Apr 2014 #112

Agree. Cooler heads prevailed. pinto Apr 2014 #84

Thanks, pinto. MineralMan Apr 2014 #91

The real attention this issue should draw... HoosierCowboy Apr 2014 #92

I have been there. MineralMan Apr 2014 #116

Maybe cooler heads prevailed packman Apr 2014 #97

some history ... napkinz Apr 2014 #101

Of course. Discretion and valor and all that aikoaiko Apr 2014 #103

There's a "culture war" against gun owners? Who knew? Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #119

The 35 years prior to that run of success wasn't so good for gun owners. aikoaiko Apr 2014 #122

It was the smart play. Turbineguy Apr 2014 #104

I disagree, they could have done many things to avoid an armed conflict. DrewFlorida Apr 2014 #105

And what makes you think they will abandon future enforcement MineralMan Apr 2014 #117

No matter who's side your on, SevenSixtyTwo Apr 2014 #106

I have to agree with you on this one, MM Aerows Apr 2014 #109

Lesson learned, never protest without a heavy show of arms. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #111

Is that really what you take from this? MineralMan Apr 2014 #114

Agree 100%. 840high Apr 2014 #110

I imagine they said the same thing about Hitler after he invaded Poland Downtown Hound Apr 2014 #113

Pretty brave words. MineralMan Apr 2014 #115

Then become a LEO and help enforce the law. MicaelS Apr 2014 #130

The sentiments in the body of your post notwithstanding, gristy Apr 2014 #118

You are correct. MineralMan Apr 2014 #121

Question BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #123

I can't suggest what they should do. I'm not any sort MineralMan Apr 2014 #124

And, who says it's the "end"? Anyway.. it was the wise decision.. thank you, MineralMan. nt Cha Apr 2014 #133

The problem is this incident sets precedent. backscatter712 Apr 2014 #134

I am surprised at all of the bloodthirsty people sarisataka Apr 2014 #135