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144. Read the court order and stop looking for bullies in the wrong places. READ.

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If the Government were serious about the BLM/Nevada situation [View all] n2doc Apr 2014 OP

Well, they could also give him back the cows they took, apologize to him for the inconvenience, tularetom Apr 2014 #1

The government has spent more in this endeavor than Bundy owes. What is tells snappyturtle Apr 2014 #6

Then that's bullshit. Did they really cave to this self-styled victim and his posse? ancianita Apr 2014 #26

I wonder who defacto7 Apr 2014 #88

They gave him the cows that were in the corral - 100 - they still have 500 they had already moved jwirr Apr 2014 #113

That might lead people to crash the banks and retirement system. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #2

Fine, let them n2doc Apr 2014 #4

"let's apply the same techniques that are already being applied to the drug war" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #9

The law is the law n2doc Apr 2014 #10

"The law is the law" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #16

Rosa Parks? What? DanTex Apr 2014 #28

The goons charge fees for a non-service Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #100

It's the government's land, right? DanTex Apr 2014 #103

Your so-called democratically elected government also Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #109

Right, but this has nothing to do with Jim Crowe. Or fascism. DanTex Apr 2014 #111

The land was just fine for a hundred years before the goons showed up. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #115

So public parks, wildlife refuges is theft from the people? Your views are extremely libertarian. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #117

people over government, not the other way around. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #121

You need to do a bit of research as to what the BLM is randr Apr 2014 #152

"a lease with we the people have not paid the stippling fees they owe us." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #153

Out where I live our BLM managed public lands have many uses randr Apr 2014 #155

you have no idea what you're talking about elehhhhna Apr 2014 #163

When did they steal the land? It's federal land. DanTex Apr 2014 #123

Goons???? catnhatnh Apr 2014 #135

Way to prove me right Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #136

Not true at all Jim Warren Apr 2014 #156

The old coot is not Rosa Parks and it is an insult to even suggest she is like him. He is not jwirr Apr 2014 #122

He's not stealing anything. Man, the BS people will shovel to justify authoritarianism. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #125

So we all have free access to public parks and other public owned buildings etc? That land is public jwirr Apr 2014 #126

The fees coupled with the limits on herd size are nothing more than Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #127

Those fees and regulations go back for hundreds of years. They are not johnny come lately plans jwirr Apr 2014 #128

More authoritarian apologizing BS Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #129

Read: snappyturtle Apr 2014 #164

Thats silly. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #84

The Drug War was one of the most successful big government programs ever initiated nationalize the fed Apr 2014 #17

While this was a big thing here on DU I don't think most of the US is interested enough to give jwirr Apr 2014 #116

I'm not talking about Bundy in that post. I'm referring to an overall public distrust. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #118

Okay, but I did not want a silly range war either so IMO this was better and allows for something jwirr Apr 2014 #124

I think if Bundy had truly wanted to instigate the militias they would snappyturtle Apr 2014 #3

What do you think would have happened if this was a Muslim Militia? politicman Apr 2014 #7

"Do you think that if OWS had guns and camped out in Times Square, it would have ended peacefully?" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #11

wrong post n/t n2doc Apr 2014 #13

The government used pepperspray and arrests to break up OWS who was non-threatening, yet a armed.. politicman Apr 2014 #20

"What lesson do you think most people are taking from this?" I hope the lesson is -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #33

you want a world where an armed group can just claim land as their own without paying for it? politicman Apr 2014 #42

"you want a world where an armed group can just claim land as their own without paying for it?" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #48

what about oil companies and federal land, do they have the right ot claim that from the gov? politicman Apr 2014 #62

"Feds wanted to enforce that order" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #64

answer my wquestion please. politicman Apr 2014 #68

The good news is AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #70

What would you have done in 1957? Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #96

obeyed a LAWFUL order. SQUEE Apr 2014 #154

Decide what laws you are willing to kill for. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #72

Nobody gets killed for grazing cattle creeksneakers2 Apr 2014 #102

"the government, which is the agent of the people." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #110

I wasn't for OWS either agbdf Apr 2014 #43

I think the BLM would have tiptoed had it been an American Muslim citizenry snappyturtle Apr 2014 #18

I can guarantee if this militia were muslim, not one of them would be alive right now politicman Apr 2014 #23

///////////// snappyturtle Apr 2014 #31

you really think so? politicman Apr 2014 #39

Let's drop the Muslim b.s. Why is that even coming up? I did not see the people with snappyturtle Apr 2014 #47

i have to admire how you can keep yourself so deliberately naive. politicman Apr 2014 #60

I just try to keep an even keel without injecting factors that haven't snappyturtle Apr 2014 #66

LOL AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #58

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #63

Really? AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #65

You can't guarantee anything of the sort. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2014 #112

300 armed to the teeth Muslims demanding the federal government roll over to their political will??? MohRokTah Apr 2014 #29

LOL! You have a great imagination. Number one, this isn't Fantasy World. snappyturtle Apr 2014 #41

The right wing media creeksneakers2 Apr 2014 #104

The government would have done nothing AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #59

You stir some serious shit for someone who's been here two days. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2014 #114

Muslims would respect the legality of public owned lands and moved their cattle. Period. ancianita Apr 2014 #27

There is that. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #30

Where would they move them to? nt snappyturtle Apr 2014 #44

Are you saying that you think he paid people to show up in support? Jack for Sanders Apr 2014 #5

I don't think he paid them n2doc Apr 2014 #8

Why are people posting about this being "over" ? Texasgal Apr 2014 #12

I hear you. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #15

Actually I was thinking that Bundy family should not be allowed out of their Timez Squarez Apr 2014 #14

Are you seriously proposing to starve people to death? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #19

Well if he can live off the land Timez Squarez Apr 2014 #21

What's of value here is not the herd or the grazing fees it's the land. snappyturtle Apr 2014 #24

Why is the government charging taxes to graze cattle on fallow ground? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #25

The feds have done no such thing. Nevada abdicated its responsibility for land management and turned ancianita Apr 2014 #32

Umm, yeah, I'd rather not pay my taxes either. DanTex Apr 2014 #36

It's fallow ground. Annual cost to the government to maintain: $0.00 Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #49

It's habitat for some endangered species. alarimer Apr 2014 #75

Crappy argument... AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #78

He hasn't declared sole ownership of the land Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #98

Hurting people is not the objective creeksneakers2 Apr 2014 #105

"The land is managed for the public, not a few ranchers." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #108

I basically agree with you altho the land, way back, wasn't state owned. However, snappyturtle Apr 2014 #52

Starve to death? He's a fucking millionaire cattleman! Puh-lease. ancianita Apr 2014 #35

And he should pay the damn million dollars Timez Squarez Apr 2014 #45

Agreed. But he's got 'range war' issues. ancianita Apr 2014 #46

Barricade yourself in your house tonight and call the police. See how that goes for you. Starving... Logical Apr 2014 #37

You're weird. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #50

Nice user name. And I am weird? LOL! nt Logical Apr 2014 #51

Irony is ironic. And there's actually a story behind the name. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #53

They would be starving themselves to death. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #56

Yes, because a few hundred cattle grazing on hundreds of thousands of acres of fallow land Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #61

Wow. SwankyXomb Apr 2014 #73

There was an offer but no 'agreement'. Well, let's just institute martial law and snappyturtle Apr 2014 #22

No such thing happens with the Bureau of Land Management, full of hard working people like us. ancianita Apr 2014 #34

"to start a land war over land that owned by we the people." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #99

Everyone else is not free to use the land creeksneakers2 Apr 2014 #106

Define "the public" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #107

No, they're not free. Use permits that have to be obtained; also, there are trespass laws. ancianita Apr 2014 #130

Unless the government has a specific declared purpose for the land Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #132

Cite your legal links or knock off the FOX propaganda here. The state would've claimed it ancianita Apr 2014 #133

Did Nevada agree to snipers and having peoples multi-generational ranches Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #134

This idiot overgrazed how own land and ruined his own business. Screw his entitled demand ancianita Apr 2014 #137

He has 160 acres. Ranches typically runs ~1,000 head to be viable. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #138

Wrong. He can buy more land. You can stop screwing with "it has ever been thus." Screw HIS goons. ancianita Apr 2014 #139

The ranchers graze their herds on the open range in common Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #140

Silly win/loss theater with your nyah nyah 'I'm rubber you're glue' bullshit... you're on the wrong ancianita Apr 2014 #141

If the governemnt wanted a non-violent response they shouldn't have Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #142

Read the court order and stop looking for bullies in the wrong places. READ. ancianita Apr 2014 #144

There are all kinds of court decisions Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #145

The one I linked you several posts ago. Here. Again. ancianita Apr 2014 #146

"At least each case was fought legally, and have been respected" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #147

Fale equivalence argument. Now you're acting like a troll. I knew the Civil Rights Era. You trying ancianita Apr 2014 #149

"land grab by an individual" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #150

Here. Tell these guys. Let's see what they think of your thinking. ancianita Apr 2014 #151

By what authority would the US Government say that a milita person (or non-militia person) kelly1mm Apr 2014 #38

Who invited you. Why would they ever restrict your travel on BLM land? It's full of roads, anyway. ancianita Apr 2014 #143

To me this was a honeypot operation to scope out the the militia strength. CK_John Apr 2014 #40

An interesting 2naSalit Apr 2014 #89

If they were serious they would send enough troops to quell the insurection Taitertots Apr 2014 #54

And hopefully AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #67

"Dealt with" How? Asking him nicely? Taitertots Apr 2014 #71

It would be treason AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #81

Perhaps YOU should read the oath... Taitertots Apr 2014 #93

You surely have heard of SWAT right? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #77

The person I responded to said troops AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #79

Let me give you a couple links that will get you started into just one time that the Army nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #83

The AVA AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #86

And NONE is calling the army for that nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #92

The AVA AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #159

I posted this in the wrong thread nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #161

By none, do you mean no one? rudolph the red Apr 2014 #166

Oh and I hate to give them the traffic, but here is some nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #80

I have no issue with Cops, SWAT AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #82

Ironically that has happened a few times nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #85

A broken clock is right twice a day AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #87

And if you have what they want, a civil war nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #90

Did you forget the part about DOMESTIC enemies? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #160

They could also get the money when the cattle is sold at market. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #55

I absolutely believe the BLM is justified cheapdate Apr 2014 #57

It would be interesting to hear from the ranchers' who are playing by the rules dflprincess Apr 2014 #69

What we forget to ask is why in 1993 Bundy decided not to any longer pay snappyturtle Apr 2014 #165

you make great points Takket Apr 2014 #74

Social security cannot be confiscated, just because someone is a criminal eallen Apr 2014 #76

It can be confiscated madville Apr 2014 #101

Is there a next step? Takket Apr 2014 #91

Not really. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #94

Absolutely there is a next step. I'm sure the Feds will be coming up with another plan. PoliticAverse Apr 2014 #158

But, they do have the time, money, and perseverance to go after whistleblowers. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #95

We'll see what they do: I think they've still got plenty of options, beyond armed confrontation struggle4progress Apr 2014 #97

No they cannot treestar Apr 2014 #119

Ironically... vankuria Apr 2014 #120

Heh heh. Thanks for the tip! ancianita Apr 2014 #131

Apparently, we're supposed to be "looking forward"...again. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #148

Yes, I wonder the same thing. DanTex Apr 2014 #157

BLM Statement... PoliticAverse Apr 2014 #162

apparently, anyone can call themself a journalist nowadays rudolph the red Apr 2014 #167