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5. Good stuff Sunset and Pro!

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The Nevada Standoff Has Nothing To Do With "Tyranny," "Sovereignty," "Freedom," or Cows. [View all] SunsetDreams Apr 2014 OP

Thanks for posting. Another post ProSense Apr 2014 #1

Thanks going to read it nt SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #2

Interesting article, that and I guess Saint Ronnie must have a chink in his armor or something.... SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #6

Interesting. ProSense Apr 2014 #10

bingo glinda Apr 2014 #106

I wonder whether the government could take aerial photos of Bundy's cattle grazing JDPriestly Apr 2014 #17

Exactly lark Apr 2014 #112

Thank you for this article, PS.. I think BLM did the right thing in backing off for now.. Cha Apr 2014 #94

Repeating: Gunnutters are itching for bloodshed, just a matter of when/where. n/t UTUSN Apr 2014 #3

With billion dollar backing! Seems the Kockroaches want a civil war. Rex Apr 2014 #87

The winds are def. blowing in that direction~ blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #99

I have a couple of Skidmore Apr 2014 #4

Very true, it's a knee jerk reaction taught to them by the Koch loving media, not thinking it out. freshwest Apr 2014 #9

Progressives, really? I mean really left of center and concerned with Social Justice? Anansi1171 Apr 2014 #58

Yep. Skidmore Apr 2014 #68

Good stuff Sunset and Pro! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #5

K&R Hugin Apr 2014 #7

Ranchers want to graze free libodem Apr 2014 #8

If the rancher was black he would be called a good-for-nothing freeloader. Just ask the militias to kelliekat44 Apr 2014 #76

very good point. nt Duppers Apr 2014 #80

Pretty sure you are right libodem Apr 2014 #82

If the wingnut wants to graze on taxpayers' land, he needs to pay the taxpayers. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #11

i have a feeling the government will get its money even if it has to take some of Bundy's JDPriestly Apr 2014 #20

agreed. Duppers Apr 2014 #53

Unless I misunderstood, that is exactly what BLM was doing - enforcing a court order tularetom Apr 2014 #98

Thanks for connecting this. Same station, same time: freshwest Apr 2014 #12

The term "Standoff" conjured up a Waco or Ruby Ridge situation going on in real time. 2banon Apr 2014 #13

So you agree with the federal grazing fees debunkthis Apr 2014 #14

You think cattle should graze for free? Enthusiast Apr 2014 #24

I think of eating as a right debunkthis Apr 2014 #26

The rancher refused to pay the fee for 20 years, is he not just another "welfare queen" ? peacebird Apr 2014 #36

Actually debunkthis Apr 2014 #71

The county does not own the land; the federal govt. does. Duppers Apr 2014 #81

Of course not malaise Apr 2014 #90

that's an inaccurate way to protray what's going on here! Duppers Apr 2014 #41

Perhaps why he does not respond to my post... peacebird Apr 2014 #66

Or perhaps debunkthis Apr 2014 #75

These cattle are being sold for a profit, and thousands of other Arizona ranchers pay the mbperrin Apr 2014 #104

"He's not running a shelter for homeless cows." ctsnowman Apr 2014 #108

"He's not running a shelter for homeless cows." Rhythm Apr 2014 #110

It's my land too. Show me my money. grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #107

Then you've done a good job of contradicting yourself Major Nikon Apr 2014 #109

Yes. If you don't have grazing fees and a system for determining who gets to graze, you JDPriestly Apr 2014 #25

No, the fees won't be a hardship for the ranchers debunkthis Apr 2014 #31

as it is with all businesses Duppers Apr 2014 #47

+1 SunSeeker Apr 2014 #50

"Your perspective is strange for someone posting on DU." Enthusiast Apr 2014 #65

exactly Duppers Apr 2014 #77

Fair enough. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #55

That isn't quite true. The costs of grazing are not necessarily passed on. PDJane Apr 2014 #95

The fee is $1.35 a month per cow-calf pair beginning in 1993. mbperrin Apr 2014 #105

+1. Good analogy. Many have lost sight of what is fair and the value of being fair. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #64

Exactly! Duppers Apr 2014 #79

Yes. n/t Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #27

The Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #28

Please understand debunkthis Apr 2014 #33

So we should have complete anarchy? MattBaggins Apr 2014 #35

It is a constitutional right to graze animals? A Simple Game Apr 2014 #46

- Takket Apr 2014 #57

are you inviting Native Americans to reclaim your property without a fight too? lunasun Apr 2014 #73

What part of the Constitution Rincewind Apr 2014 #102

Sovereignty = Free Will DeSwiss Apr 2014 #15

Greed, but whose greed? former9thward Apr 2014 #16

You missed the entire point. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #21

And you notice it is ONLY cattle ranchers that get to graze for "free" fasttense Apr 2014 #32

It might have been stolen but not by us. We bought it from Mexico in the Treaty of Hidalgo for ancianita Apr 2014 #40

We bought the whole West from Mexico? former9thward Apr 2014 #43

Police? StarryNite Apr 2014 #45

Please check the poster I was replying to. former9thward Apr 2014 #48

Check history in general, not "mine." And I didn't say the "whole West," just the land in dispute. ancianita Apr 2014 #49

BLM policies affect the entire West... former9thward Apr 2014 #63

Oh spare us. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #69

You are comparing Natives with the Tatars? former9thward Apr 2014 #72

Ah, just so we're clear. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #74

Another non-answer. former9thward Apr 2014 #85

No strawmen at all. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #93

Well, I keep reading it here, and at least care to straighten out the history of our acquiring it. ancianita Apr 2014 #97

"You can't get good title from a thief." Brigid Apr 2014 #83

Yes it is another matter and complicated. former9thward Apr 2014 #86

Yes, that is certainly true. Brigid Apr 2014 #88

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #18

K&R! These militia types are drowning in ignorance. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #19

I honestly can't understand... NaturalHigh Apr 2014 #22

Funny debunkthis Apr 2014 #23

That is a lie maindawg Apr 2014 #34

You do not have a constitutional right to do as you please on federal lands MattBaggins Apr 2014 #37

I agree with you. Gov mistake was to let him get away with it so long. Now he feels entitled. The Wielding Truth Apr 2014 #92

The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. nt SunSeeker Apr 2014 #52

What constitutional right is Bundy fighting to protect? JDPriestly Apr 2014 #54

You're a fan of the Oath Keepers? gollygee Apr 2014 #70

So illegal authoritarians trump legal authoritarians in your book. Rex Apr 2014 #89

Which ones were the illegal authoritarians? TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2014 #114

where is OUR CUT??? fuck crapitalism. pansypoo53219 Apr 2014 #29

No federal disaster relief for him... Blue State Bandit Apr 2014 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Apr 2014 #38

ok SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #42

okay...so his cows are on public property Horse with no Name Apr 2014 #39

If you want to travel that far, go for it. Wouldn't be the first time a trespasser's animals were ancianita Apr 2014 #51

good point! Duppers Apr 2014 #61

Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Apr 2014 #44

this is very important G_j Apr 2014 #56

From day one of this Fraud Wellstone ruled Apr 2014 #59

Agreed! Not only that, it was media's excuse to dismiss Bernie and Harry's facts on the Kochs... freshwest May 2014 #115

We can turn our economy rightside-up and crush the Kochs! Anansi1171 Apr 2014 #60

Seems a bit creatively speculative The Straight Story Apr 2014 #62

While the alleged Koch backing of Bundy may need more info to be considered truthful, it does make okaawhatever Apr 2014 #84

Truthful or not The Straight Story Apr 2014 #91

A 'post' on DU and DK are different. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #101

BLM Statement... PoliticAverse Apr 2014 #67

This is happening in my community. WinstonSmith4740 Apr 2014 #78

when the BLM sees they are caught with "constitutional infringement" they make the case MOOT by Sunlei Apr 2014 #103

Thank you for this, SunsetDreams.. Very important to get the Facts out there regarding the Kochs Cha Apr 2014 #96

I have a couple of neighbors who graze their livestock on BLM land. They pay to do so. Autumn Apr 2014 #100

going to read this all in depth later. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #111

Same here Catherine Vincent Apr 2014 #113