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46. It is a constitutional right to graze animals?

Sun Apr 13, 2014, 04:44 PM

Apr 2014

How would you decide? First come, first served?

Who has the most cattle? Who has the most guns?

The fee out west is $1.35 per month per animal. I have raised cattle in New York and had to buy hay in the winter. For hay it cost me more than a dollar a day for each cow. These people are not being over charged, they are being undercharged.

So decide, how many cattle can the land support? If Bundy has his cattle there and I move my cattle there can the land support that many? Can the land support sheep and cattle? Sheep can be harder on land than cattle because they chew the grass lower to the ground. How many before the grass permanently dies? If there is a drought how many before we would have another dust bowl?

We have land management for a reason, a very sensible and valid reason.

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The Nevada Standoff Has Nothing To Do With "Tyranny," "Sovereignty," "Freedom," or Cows. [View all] SunsetDreams Apr 2014 OP

Thanks for posting. Another post ProSense Apr 2014 #1

Thanks going to read it nt SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #2

Interesting article, that and I guess Saint Ronnie must have a chink in his armor or something.... SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #6

Interesting. ProSense Apr 2014 #10

bingo glinda Apr 2014 #106

I wonder whether the government could take aerial photos of Bundy's cattle grazing JDPriestly Apr 2014 #17

Exactly lark Apr 2014 #112

Thank you for this article, PS.. I think BLM did the right thing in backing off for now.. Cha Apr 2014 #94

Repeating: Gunnutters are itching for bloodshed, just a matter of when/where. n/t UTUSN Apr 2014 #3

With billion dollar backing! Seems the Kockroaches want a civil war. Rex Apr 2014 #87

The winds are def. blowing in that direction~ blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #99

I have a couple of Skidmore Apr 2014 #4

Very true, it's a knee jerk reaction taught to them by the Koch loving media, not thinking it out. freshwest Apr 2014 #9

Progressives, really? I mean really left of center and concerned with Social Justice? Anansi1171 Apr 2014 #58

Yep. Skidmore Apr 2014 #68

Good stuff Sunset and Pro! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #5

K&R Hugin Apr 2014 #7

Ranchers want to graze free libodem Apr 2014 #8

If the rancher was black he would be called a good-for-nothing freeloader. Just ask the militias to kelliekat44 Apr 2014 #76

very good point. nt Duppers Apr 2014 #80

Pretty sure you are right libodem Apr 2014 #82

If the wingnut wants to graze on taxpayers' land, he needs to pay the taxpayers. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #11

i have a feeling the government will get its money even if it has to take some of Bundy's JDPriestly Apr 2014 #20

agreed. Duppers Apr 2014 #53

Unless I misunderstood, that is exactly what BLM was doing - enforcing a court order tularetom Apr 2014 #98

Thanks for connecting this. Same station, same time: freshwest Apr 2014 #12

The term "Standoff" conjured up a Waco or Ruby Ridge situation going on in real time. 2banon Apr 2014 #13

So you agree with the federal grazing fees debunkthis Apr 2014 #14

You think cattle should graze for free? Enthusiast Apr 2014 #24

I think of eating as a right debunkthis Apr 2014 #26

The rancher refused to pay the fee for 20 years, is he not just another "welfare queen" ? peacebird Apr 2014 #36

Actually debunkthis Apr 2014 #71

The county does not own the land; the federal govt. does. Duppers Apr 2014 #81

Of course not malaise Apr 2014 #90

that's an inaccurate way to protray what's going on here! Duppers Apr 2014 #41

Perhaps why he does not respond to my post... peacebird Apr 2014 #66

Or perhaps debunkthis Apr 2014 #75

These cattle are being sold for a profit, and thousands of other Arizona ranchers pay the mbperrin Apr 2014 #104

"He's not running a shelter for homeless cows." ctsnowman Apr 2014 #108

"He's not running a shelter for homeless cows." Rhythm Apr 2014 #110

It's my land too. Show me my money. grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #107

Then you've done a good job of contradicting yourself Major Nikon Apr 2014 #109

Yes. If you don't have grazing fees and a system for determining who gets to graze, you JDPriestly Apr 2014 #25

No, the fees won't be a hardship for the ranchers debunkthis Apr 2014 #31

as it is with all businesses Duppers Apr 2014 #47

+1 SunSeeker Apr 2014 #50

"Your perspective is strange for someone posting on DU." Enthusiast Apr 2014 #65

exactly Duppers Apr 2014 #77

Fair enough. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #55

That isn't quite true. The costs of grazing are not necessarily passed on. PDJane Apr 2014 #95

The fee is $1.35 a month per cow-calf pair beginning in 1993. mbperrin Apr 2014 #105

+1. Good analogy. Many have lost sight of what is fair and the value of being fair. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #64

Exactly! Duppers Apr 2014 #79

Yes. n/t Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #27

The Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #28

Please understand debunkthis Apr 2014 #33

So we should have complete anarchy? MattBaggins Apr 2014 #35

It is a constitutional right to graze animals? A Simple Game Apr 2014 #46

- Takket Apr 2014 #57

are you inviting Native Americans to reclaim your property without a fight too? lunasun Apr 2014 #73

What part of the Constitution Rincewind Apr 2014 #102

Sovereignty = Free Will DeSwiss Apr 2014 #15

Greed, but whose greed? former9thward Apr 2014 #16

You missed the entire point. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #21

And you notice it is ONLY cattle ranchers that get to graze for "free" fasttense Apr 2014 #32

It might have been stolen but not by us. We bought it from Mexico in the Treaty of Hidalgo for ancianita Apr 2014 #40

We bought the whole West from Mexico? former9thward Apr 2014 #43

Police? StarryNite Apr 2014 #45

Please check the poster I was replying to. former9thward Apr 2014 #48

Check history in general, not "mine." And I didn't say the "whole West," just the land in dispute. ancianita Apr 2014 #49

BLM policies affect the entire West... former9thward Apr 2014 #63

Oh spare us. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #69

You are comparing Natives with the Tatars? former9thward Apr 2014 #72

Ah, just so we're clear. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #74

Another non-answer. former9thward Apr 2014 #85

No strawmen at all. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #93

Well, I keep reading it here, and at least care to straighten out the history of our acquiring it. ancianita Apr 2014 #97

"You can't get good title from a thief." Brigid Apr 2014 #83

Yes it is another matter and complicated. former9thward Apr 2014 #86

Yes, that is certainly true. Brigid Apr 2014 #88

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #18

K&R! These militia types are drowning in ignorance. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #19

I honestly can't understand... NaturalHigh Apr 2014 #22

Funny debunkthis Apr 2014 #23

That is a lie maindawg Apr 2014 #34

You do not have a constitutional right to do as you please on federal lands MattBaggins Apr 2014 #37

I agree with you. Gov mistake was to let him get away with it so long. Now he feels entitled. The Wielding Truth Apr 2014 #92

The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. nt SunSeeker Apr 2014 #52

What constitutional right is Bundy fighting to protect? JDPriestly Apr 2014 #54

You're a fan of the Oath Keepers? gollygee Apr 2014 #70

So illegal authoritarians trump legal authoritarians in your book. Rex Apr 2014 #89

Which ones were the illegal authoritarians? TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2014 #114

where is OUR CUT??? fuck crapitalism. pansypoo53219 Apr 2014 #29

No federal disaster relief for him... Blue State Bandit Apr 2014 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Apr 2014 #38

ok SunsetDreams Apr 2014 #42

okay...so his cows are on public property Horse with no Name Apr 2014 #39

If you want to travel that far, go for it. Wouldn't be the first time a trespasser's animals were ancianita Apr 2014 #51

good point! Duppers Apr 2014 #61

Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Apr 2014 #44

this is very important G_j Apr 2014 #56

From day one of this Fraud Wellstone ruled Apr 2014 #59

Agreed! Not only that, it was media's excuse to dismiss Bernie and Harry's facts on the Kochs... freshwest May 2014 #115

We can turn our economy rightside-up and crush the Kochs! Anansi1171 Apr 2014 #60

Seems a bit creatively speculative The Straight Story Apr 2014 #62

While the alleged Koch backing of Bundy may need more info to be considered truthful, it does make okaawhatever Apr 2014 #84

Truthful or not The Straight Story Apr 2014 #91

A 'post' on DU and DK are different. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #101

BLM Statement... PoliticAverse Apr 2014 #67

This is happening in my community. WinstonSmith4740 Apr 2014 #78

when the BLM sees they are caught with "constitutional infringement" they make the case MOOT by Sunlei Apr 2014 #103

Thank you for this, SunsetDreams.. Very important to get the Facts out there regarding the Kochs Cha Apr 2014 #96

I have a couple of neighbors who graze their livestock on BLM land. They pay to do so. Autumn Apr 2014 #100

going to read this all in depth later. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #111

Same here Catherine Vincent Apr 2014 #113