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politicman

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97. so violent intimidation is enough to stop laws being enforced?

Sun Apr 13, 2014, 08:21 PM

Apr 2014

So that's it then, as long as one is willing to risk death then the government won't enforce court orders/law.

If Bundy and his crazy gun nut friends were willing to die for their cause, that's on them.

What the government has shown now is that if someone can get a few hundred 'friends' with guns who are willing to die, that the government will back down from enforcing the law.

Because we all know that the next time the cops find a homeless man sheltering under a staircase, they will have no problem enforcing the law and lock him up, and if he is willing to die to stop the cops enforcing the law, I am sure they will accommodate his willingness with a bullet.

Even funnier is that the government has created the impression that violent intimidation is enough to scare it away from enforcing laws.

I am sure the gun nuts have taken that lesson away from this hole saga.

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Regardless of what response you favor, BLM did back off in the face of armed intimidation [View all] cthulu2016 Apr 2014 OP

the 2A crowd is as big a threat as any government action & kills more people annually in the USA nt msongs Apr 2014 #1

Any facts to back that up? tolkien90 Apr 2014 #90

Evidently not. n/t Skip Intro Apr 2014 #98

So you think it would be brilliant to give these crazies another "Janet Reno" to rally around? BlueStreak Apr 2014 #2

Agreed. The best course of action now is to keep confrontation to an absolute minimum. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #6

Wha? Who are you even talking to? Did you read any of the OP? cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #7

Pretty much yes. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #9

That's EXACTLY what the title of the thread suggests BlueStreak Apr 2014 #73

Suggests to YOU, because YOU don't seem to read very clearly cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #74

You state it in the form of an accusation BlueStreak Apr 2014 #77

If we stipulate that you can read then at this point you are simply lying cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #82

So this is about Obama? Who said anything about Obama? BlueStreak Apr 2014 #85

It seems like the poster you are responding to is playing Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2014 #106

So you think it's brilliant to just allow someone to openly flout the law? Jake Stern Apr 2014 #33

And it will embolden them to do more...it always does. zeemike Apr 2014 #38

The government just said through their actions "Do as you wish, we won't stop you" Jake Stern Apr 2014 #44

It may already be too late. zeemike Apr 2014 #49

that was the right wing's argument treestar Apr 2014 #71

"Rubber backbone"? Because they didn't get into a shootout with gun nuts? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #43

When you walk away from a bully, he doesn't stop being a bully. Jake Stern Apr 2014 #46

And nobody died? How dare they!!!! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #48

If they would have stood their ground no one would have died. zeemike Apr 2014 #50

You're all over the place. So you like "authoritarians" today? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #52

I am not either of those extremes. zeemike Apr 2014 #68

Whatevah! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #103

Right now nobody died but as they get ever more emboldened it will happen nt Jake Stern Apr 2014 #87

Honestly, I think you're in the wrong place. Most folks here spend their time... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #104

I think someone can be glad that violence was averted ecstatic Apr 2014 #78

And how do you know that it is over? BlueStreak Apr 2014 #79

That's a sensible post cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #83

The gunLOONS are itching for bloodshed and it's just a matter of time UTUSN Apr 2014 #3

itchy fingers backing some cheap ass nut bag lunasun Apr 2014 #11

agree... n/t defacto7 Apr 2014 #31

Would it ever be acceptable madville Apr 2014 #4

Right. It is extraordinary. That doesn't mean it should have been met with force, but cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #8

I keep thinking about christx30 Apr 2014 #29

Let me get this straight, you're trying to conflate armed people defending a person Jake Stern Apr 2014 #47

Yes. I am comparing them. christx30 Apr 2014 #51

What happened after Kelo .... former9thward Apr 2014 #72

That whole decision sickened me. X_Digger Apr 2014 #102

This is one of a few instances where I think authorities responded properly. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #5

You make a good point about protection of life defacto7 Apr 2014 #34

I can't believe that so many DUers are okay with this. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #10

Middle of nowhere.. hot and dry RobertEarl Apr 2014 #12

I don't disagree, but I am not blase about it. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #13

No use getting all worked up RobertEarl Apr 2014 #14

No one got shot, people have the right to assemble The Straight Story Apr 2014 #15

I don't know but if this caption is correct I think some cop should have arrested this guy. gvstn Apr 2014 #16

Eric Parker, you are hereby under arrest. Timez Squarez Apr 2014 #20

This man better be answering a knock on the door from LE very soon. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #22

If this is not a picture op defacto7 Apr 2014 #39

Let me guess airplaneman Apr 2014 #17

BLM needs to hand the matters over to FBI/DEA/DHS/ATFE Timez Squarez Apr 2014 #18

What unit are you currently serving in? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #92

One problem is that they're already making up fables about it starroute Apr 2014 #19

"We remain disappointed..." I guess that's the letter I'll get after TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #21

You gotta be sitting down in protest, completely unarmed for the govt to show Rex Apr 2014 #25

Yup. The left is doing it wrong, obviously. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #26

It's crap like that christx30 Apr 2014 #36

I agree! Yavapai Apr 2014 #45

What's crap is supporting Bundy coz you don't like cops... Violet_Crumble Apr 2014 #54

So you think the government christx30 Apr 2014 #57

There's peaceful protest, and then there's thugs with guns who think they're above the law... Violet_Crumble Apr 2014 #58

"Thugs with guns that think christx30 Apr 2014 #59

When Occupy has its own militia Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #70

DU is becoming unrecognizable to me. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #66

It looks like this piece of shit is on a road I paid for. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #81

All of a sudden it's become hip to defend people who cheat the government Jake Stern Apr 2014 #89

Yikes maddezmom Apr 2014 #60

Yes I am. christx30 Apr 2014 #61

Well it is a good thing they didn't call in Harold Francis Callahan. Rex Apr 2014 #23

I feel like we live in bizarro world. Peaceful protesters get viciously beaten and pepper sprayed. Taitertots Apr 2014 #24

How is it bizarro world? Demonstrating weakness gets your weakness exploited. Demonstrating... JVS Apr 2014 #27

How Machiavellian. n/t defacto7 Apr 2014 #41

They can't because he's dead and if he wasn't he'd see he accomplished overseer status for TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #62

The loot will always go to the same motherfuckers. Crunchy Frog Apr 2014 #69

I encourage nor espoused any such thing, in fact, I hold the lay down sallys and the get along TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #91

Maybe the hippie approach to politics doesn't trump fighting in the streets. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #28

The "Gandhi approach" has been greatly overstated in actual effect anyway and to work TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #64

Your words resonate with me. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #67

and the moral of the story is: sweetapogee Apr 2014 #108

The armed militiamen love it when liberals/progressives get the crap beat out of them by police. Boomerproud Apr 2014 #30

...�"The BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially" ... struggle4progress Apr 2014 #32

Indeed they do. . . Jake Stern Apr 2014 #35

That would show real lack of imagination struggle4progress Apr 2014 #37

When he finds out that he can't sell cattle that he no longer legally owns ThoughtCriminal Apr 2014 #42

At a minimum the government could have wimped out in style by pretending they meant business. Jake Stern Apr 2014 #40

People with guns showed up. ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #53

its effed up when the guys with guns that back down are the cops. politicman Apr 2014 #56

Would you've been happier if they had a shoot out? nt ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #88

to be honest, yes. politicman Apr 2014 #96

I am not the kind of guy who threatens people with guns. ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #105

because with law, there would be chaos which would mean its more dangerous for human life politicman Apr 2014 #113

The worst atrocities ever committed were perfectly legal. ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #114

Bundy was ready to risk death christx30 Apr 2014 #95

so violent intimidation is enough to stop laws being enforced? politicman Apr 2014 #97

I'm saying that christx30 Apr 2014 #100

Do all you guys hang out in the Israel/Palestine forum? It's strange that the two arguing most.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #110

BLM director should be fired immediately Dems to Win Apr 2014 #55

It was just another "Red Line" forthemiddle Apr 2014 #75

This whole thread reminds me of a cartoon Fumesucker Apr 2014 #99

If I were in charge I would have brought in the FBI and even encouraged the militia's to come on Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #63

Why give the idiot back his cattle? newfie11 Apr 2014 #65

If that infuriates you, ohheckyeah Apr 2014 #115

I live in Western South Dakota newfie11 Apr 2014 #116

LOL... ohheckyeah Apr 2014 #117

exactly - we gave in to a bully . . . and that is not a good thing DrDan Apr 2014 #76

+1000 White might makes right Tom Ripley Apr 2014 #80

Let's face it - the gun nuts want another Ruby Ridge or Waco. . . DinahMoeHum Apr 2014 #84

I was thinking the same thing. No doubt they will build a statue in honor of this guy. Rex Apr 2014 #94

There needs to be serious consequences or there will really be WhiteTara Apr 2014 #86

Here's the only update I've seen on BLM's cattle removal. The source is by a nearby land management ancianita Apr 2014 #93

Domestic terrorists win this one. 6000eliot Apr 2014 #101

Those of y'all who think this is over.. sendero Apr 2014 #107

Agree. nt Quixote1818 Apr 2014 #109

In a nation of laws, there's only one way that this can end. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #111

I hope those who are saying this isn't over are correct. Nine Apr 2014 #112