"Obama Prepares to Authorize Indefinite Detention of US Citizens for First Time Since McCarthy Era"

[TheKentuckian]

136. That is fine and dandy but largely immaterial at this point

because will write is many a long mile from passed and signed into law.

The reality is the amendments that she and Udall already tried got punted so there seems no road to anything substantially corrective and that the whole premise whether citizens are eventually actually successfully excluded (because they aren't as many constitutional experts, lawyers, and indeed the sponsors of the legislation will argue) or not, is still abhorrent, in violation of the very spirit of who we are supposed to be striving to be as a people, and of course not just unconstitutional but actually counter-constitutional.

The fact that all three branches are in on it doesn't change that but it does transform our base law into "gawddamn piece of paper" in all practical effect and in this case, it doesn't much matter since there is no way to even know if there is abuse nor any consequences if abuse or ineptitude were discovered.

The bottom line is we have granted unlimited, unvetted, unverifiable, and unchecked power to the President (all and any) bounded only by their judgment, what those that execute their orders will carry out, and what they believe. Nothing whatsoever checks the power and that makes it violate the basic design of our law and essentially renders all rights and protections null.

I knew we were heading right here and beyond quick when you had a shitload of Democrats on a supposedly fringe website hollaring that if a person not charged with a crime should have surrendered if he wanted justice.

It makes my head swim. I cannot plumb such depths that a requirement for protection under the law is to turn one's self in despite not being charged with anything. Well, once you can go there the jog down the lane to Do whatever you think you gotta do, on your own unquestionable and unchecked discretion-ville.

Even if you place limits, they cannot be enforced. Hell, it would be very difficult to know if they had been crossed and no consequences if they are. This type of law is a cancer on our system of the first magnitude.