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defacto7

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107. Ambivalent? Theo Roosevelt?
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 12:54 AM
Apr 2014

Last edited Mon Apr 14, 2014, 01:26 AM - Edit history (1)

I absolutely agree about his lack of pacifism; in that regard he was a downright war hog which is something about him I despise. But he was the hardest on corporate magnates of any president we have ever had.

Ambivalent is probably the last word I would use for TR about anything let alone the rich. If anything, he stood his ground relentlessly on almost every issue he took a position. As a matter of fact, his single-mindedness became so dogmatic after his second term he splintered the republican party out of a misguided responsibility for having put Taft in the presidency and wanted to make sure Taft didn't get a second term even if it destroyed his party. He trusted information he received from his disgruntled close friend Gifford Pinchot while in Africa and never stood down. His lack of flexibility later in life became his and his party's downfall let alone Taft's second term.

But his work against the corporate moguls (the trusts) and his abhorrence of the cronies that had taken over both the Republican and Democratic parties is epic. He was supported by the socialists and the progressives because of his stance on breaking the trusts and paid politicians. Did he have to make concessions during his presidency? Very few but yes and regretted it. He was no friend of the rich in politics and his "Square Deal" made huge strides toward elevation of the working class in his time.

FDR was a great president in most respects but he was the one more rightfully deserving of the term ambivalent toward the rich. On many occasions he listened to Elenore's plea for women's rights, the fight against racism, and the care of war casualties but many more times he explicitly ignored her. And unfortunately, he started the centralization of the military complex in WWII by choosing the most powerful corporations and allowed the smaller contractors be swallowed up by them mostly on the word of those most powerful and moneyed. (on edit: I'm not saying that was his ultimate intention, it's just the outcome of his decisions to win WWII) Most of those corporations are the same big names we all know today. His first two terms were stellar... his last two were arguably.. ambivalent.

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Oh no, not another Hillary thread..... DJ13 Apr 2014 #1
I Thought This Was About Colbert....nt (sarcasm) global1 Apr 2014 #2
I thought it was about Kerry. Or Dukakis. ....:d:d mylye2222 Apr 2014 #66
Yeah, the 1930s were trippy, all right. randome Apr 2014 #3
Thanks Manny. 99Forever Apr 2014 #4
Didn't they plot to assassinate him also? sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #5
The Business Plot zeemike Apr 2014 #11
Thanks, zeemike. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #16
Back then they tried it the old school way. zeemike Apr 2014 #23
exactly right, it's that pot of boiling frogs syndrome.. and here we are n/t 2banon Apr 2014 #73
I often wonder if that plot actually succeeded or not. Initech Apr 2014 #20
It did, but not in the old school way zeemike Apr 2014 #24
Don't forget grampa Bush was a key player in that attempted coup LiberalLovinLug Apr 2014 #29
Yep and that makes it so much more interesting. zeemike Apr 2014 #45
If he was alive today he would be excoriated here on DU OKNancy Apr 2014 #6
And praised mightily MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #7
Aw come on, why you have to bring that up? Rex Apr 2014 #10
The same "response" that used to be limited to the Hard Right Wing. bvar22 Apr 2014 #105
as did his fifth cousin Theodore defacto7 Apr 2014 #69
Much was from Eleanor. nt HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #84
Absolutely. Eleanor was FDR's heart... ananda Apr 2014 #87
Actually, he listened to her most of the time, defacto7 Apr 2014 #108
Like most of our presidents of the two major parties, Teddy was ambivalent toward the rich. merrily Apr 2014 #101
Ambivalent? Theo Roosevelt? defacto7 Apr 2014 #107
I like a lot about Teddy, but we differ in our interpretations. merrily Apr 2014 #117
Have you ever read Doris Kearns-Goodwin's newest biography defacto7 Apr 2014 #118
He was a remarkable man and a remarkable President. merrily Apr 2014 #119
10 n/t whathehell Apr 2014 #91
Are you sure he fought bankers? merrily Apr 2014 #100
A few here would jump all over his supporters claiming he's "unelectable". Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #9
C'mon, you KNOW he is FAR LEFT! adirondacker Apr 2014 #37
Dems want to be known for *sucker* punching hippies. (At least inside the Beltway) Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #42
A few? SwankyXomb Apr 2014 #40
I don't use the ignore function. You miss out on some real humor. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #41
You must have a much higher tolerance SwankyXomb Apr 2014 #55
I'm the type that trolls the trolls. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #61
If he were alive today, and president, he would accomplish no more than Obama. Schema Thing Apr 2014 #12
I think he would Aerows Apr 2014 #52
because he wasn't a magician Schema Thing Apr 2014 #57
I think he would accomplish more heaven05 Apr 2014 #89
well, there is that. Schema Thing Apr 2014 #103
because FDR's congress had huge OKNancy Apr 2014 #59
Are you aware of HOW that huge majority happened? 99Forever Apr 2014 #62
he had some racist supporters , it's why he opposed the anti lynching bill that liberals in congress JI7 Apr 2014 #63
Oh please. 99Forever Apr 2014 #64
Actually, Republicans were in the majority at some points and, even when merrily Apr 2014 #98
No one has any way of knowing that. Imaginary Presidencies are silly ways to make a point. merrily Apr 2014 #97
And he'd still be white, and the filibuster would not be used for every bill treestar Apr 2014 #14
^this^ Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #31
exactly,he had some white racist supporters JI7 Apr 2014 #56
And rightly so, IMHO tazkcmo Apr 2014 #58
Why would he be excoriated for increasing the size of the Supreme Court? merrily Apr 2014 #95
We'd have to form an FDR Group here, wouldn't we? Hekate Apr 2014 #114
Just change the dates and it would apply today zeemike Apr 2014 #8
He thought they were united against him? treestar Apr 2014 #13
When the Democratic Majority Leader of the Senate BrotherIvan Apr 2014 #18
What's a good sound thrashing? treestar Apr 2014 #21
" The Republicans are bumbling idiots; why do the Democrats let them win so often?" merrily Apr 2014 #99
Thank you BrotherIvan Apr 2014 #102
You're welcome. merrily Apr 2014 #104
But in those days you actually had to do the filibuster. zeemike Apr 2014 #25
Well actually BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #46
That last paragraph. JaneyVee Apr 2014 #15
K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #17
Wasn't FDR responsible for the firebombing of Tokyo?... SidDithers Apr 2014 #19
Are you sitting down? MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #22
Bashing a Democratic President like FDR on a Democratic forum. Did you ever think we would sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #26
Human behavior is a curious thing MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #28
Actually no, sheshe2 Apr 2014 #70
Well, Obama does have a D after his name, but as far as most of his policy goes cui bono Apr 2014 #77
Well if one were a member of the conservative party in another country Dragonfli Apr 2014 #75
Bashing a Democratic President like [Obama] on a Democratic forum. Did you ever think we would randome Apr 2014 #83
Right Wing talking points about FDR are very recognizable to those of us who have been around sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #96
Why was there no attempt to disrupt the concentration camps? former9thward Apr 2014 #51
Not to mention one other thing he got wrong davidpdx Apr 2014 #109
As to the development of nuclear weapons, the Nazis were well on their way to develop them. Kablooie Apr 2014 #27
Ja. Herr Heisenberg screwed up his calculations. MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #30
I couldn't have a lower opinion of you anyway. Say what you wish. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #34
^^^this^^^ L0oniX Apr 2014 #92
In the way that Obama is responsible for droning wedding parties and small kids Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #36
Drone killings don't count you see because children blown to bits are nothing more than "bug splats" Dragonfli Apr 2014 #76
People shouldn't have questioned those things? Hissyspit Apr 2014 #38
Spit it out Sid, dont you think FDR was a good president? Tell us what you really think. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #39
FDR is no Stephen Harper Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #122
A Canadian insulting FDR on Democratic website. 99Forever Apr 2014 #53
And the Canadians were right there with us as Allies neverforget Apr 2014 #60
Yes, no, yes, yes. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #86
Well done, Manny! And well said, FDR! Enthusiast Apr 2014 #32
Except BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #47
I didn't want to say that. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #85
File this under: louis-t Apr 2014 #33
K and triple R dotymed Apr 2014 #35
If it hadn't been for FDR, America as we know it today wouldn't exist. reformist2 Apr 2014 #43
Quite simply, FDR saved the world. Literally. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #44
Recommend! nt Zorra Apr 2014 #48
Hate to be a downer BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #49
Depends on your point of view. randome Apr 2014 #65
Ok BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #67
I would have to agree with you defacto7 Apr 2014 #71
Yeah BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #72
K&R for the President who was the first I remember - even if it was his death I remember. My jwirr Apr 2014 #50
"It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them" abelenkpe Apr 2014 #54
Because they're f**king lazy IkeRepublican Apr 2014 #68
K&R! octoberlib Apr 2014 #74
Rec'd, keep up the good work Corruption Inc Apr 2014 #78
Honored and humbled to see my name listed.... chknltl Apr 2014 #79
K&R for the Greatest President a2liberal Apr 2014 #80
K&R'd! snot Apr 2014 #81
GREATEST. AMERICAN PRESIDENT. EVER. Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #82
for sure.. my Dad was named Delano because of FDR. but compare the congresses they had. dionysus Apr 2014 #111
One can tell ProSense Apr 2014 #88
Old, white, privileged men - give me Barack Obama any day - maced666 Apr 2014 #90
Government by organized money is what we have now. L0oniX Apr 2014 #93
The parallel to the Obama adminsitration is frighting. olegramps Apr 2014 #94
The roots of naysayers run deep... cheapdate Apr 2014 #106
yeah Manny, and he had an indestructible House and Senate. dionysus Apr 2014 #110
...and was elected to four (4) terms. He had the advantage of time in addition to everything else. Hekate Apr 2014 #112
my Dad's name is Delano, and i think he wanted to name me Franklin , but Mom overruled with Matthew. dionysus Apr 2014 #113
In high school I dated a guy whose first name was Roosevelt, after FDR Hekate Apr 2014 #115
my kindergarten was Roosevelt School :) dionysus Apr 2014 #116
Can you EVEN imagine those words slipping by the lips of ANY President since Reagan? Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #120
Make that Kennedy.... Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #121
Each passing year, fewer remember. Octafish Apr 2014 #123
As long as that crime goes unpunished, as long as the perps walk.... Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #124
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